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A new low for the party of shame.
It turns out that in eight states, plus the District of Columbia, getting beaten up by your spouse is a pre-existing condition.
Under the cold logic of the insurance industry, it makes perfect sense: If you are in a marriage with someone who has beaten you in the past, you’re more likely to get beaten again than the average person and are therefore more expensive to insure.
In human terms, it’s a second punishment for a victim of domestic violence.
Ugly enough…but it gets worse.
In 2006, Democrats tried to end the practice. An amendment introduced by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), now a member of leadership, split the Health Education Labor & Pensions Committee 10-10. The tie meant that the measure failed.
All ten no votes were Republicans
There’s been plenty of opportunities to feel disgust for republicans but today they take me to a new place. Their actions are inexcusable and is another vivid reminder of who they are and what they represent. For all their talk of patriotism and love of country, they once again reveal themselves to be the ugliest part of America. Their callous and cold view of their fellow citizens, devoid of compassion, appears to have no bounds. For Republicans, taking care of the insurance industry takes precedence over the needs of battered women.
If it gets more disgusting than that, I don’t know how.
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Powerful illustration! Powerful statement! Wow!
They think Domestic Violence is a pre-existing condition? OMG, they are indeed revealing ‘themselves to be the ugliest part of America.’
Some Republicans have no respect for women, battered or otherwise, they want government to tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies. And yet this is the party that wants less government. Oh, but less government as it relates to businesses, less regulation as it relates to Wall Street and banking and less regulation as it relates to guns and to men, but not as it relates to women.
Domestic Violence is 95% perpetrated by men upon women, to kill the amendment referenced above is yet another act of violence against these women. It is no wonder many women do not see a way out of their domestically violent relationship.
If you dispense with inflammatory rhetoric, this is a logical “business” decision on the part of the Insurance Industry. Women caught up in this cycle of abuse generally tend to seek out abusive relationships. That is something I have NEVER been able to understand.
I don’t think the answer is to force insurance companies to take on clients that are obvious “High” risk clients. That will only drive rates up considerably for everyone. It may be an unfortunate reality, but companies HAVE to be profitable to remain in business. A statement by one of these evil 10 addressed that aspect. If the prices were driven out of reach, “….you have no insurance, it doesn’t matter what services are mandated by the state,” And as much as we may not like it, that is a credible thought.
I think the high risk, pre-existing condition problem could be addressed by setting up a high risk pool, much like they do for automobile insurance. Establish a pool of all insurance companies. Once you establish a criteria for what constitutes a “High Risk” individual, the insurance companies HAVE to accept these people and on a rotating basis.
Anyway, this is a sad situation and obviously one that on the surface, seems unfair. All the more reason for our Congressmen and Women to sit down and REALLY endeavor to come up with workable and sustainable reform.
GOP policy position: Jesus loves health insurance company profits, and any woman that gets beaten by their spouse deserves it.
Larry, I know you are stupid, but the whole idea of insurance is shared risk across all policy holders. To say otherwise is lending support to the idea of death panels. You can’t have it both ways.
How about sharing the higher risks over ALL insurance companies? I’M stupid, but I can understand that’s the same premise as sharing risk over a large group of policy holders. And you?
Mario, how are you going to react if Walter, Tommy or I start every response with, “I know you are stupid…”?
Are you going to allow ME the latitude to rein this little prick in?
@RDS
is stupid a pre-existing condition?
No. But Liberalism IS a Mental Disorder!!!
Larry, now I have to waste my time rephrasing it for you: from a consumer point of view, what is the point of insurance companies if they are not really willing to cover the risks for which they are in business?
Also, why do you so support insurance companies not providing coverage, with fervent zeal? When you buy a car do you beg the dealer to raise the price so they can take more money off you? Because that’s what you’re trying to do for insurance companies.
Seriously, I may have said this before, but you are an idiot.
RDS, you are obviously too ignorant to understand even the most basic suggestions or ideas. You really make absolutely no sense whatsoever at all so I’ll not bother to waste ANY time on you at all.
For those who DO have the intellectual capacity to at least read what I’m suggesting, I am trying to think of reasonable solutions to real problems. I don’t think the Government attempting to furnish Health Care to every citizen is a reasonable goal. Therefore, I feel the Insurance Companies are going to need to be factored into any reasonable reform.
Lack of coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions is a difficulty that needs to be addressed. I don’t feel it’s an acceptable business module to FORCE companies to take on clients that will not only NOT be profitable, but will be costly to the extent it negatively impacts the rates you would be able to offer your overall base of customers.
That is why I feel possibly establishing a pool of ALL the insurance companies to accept High Risk customers on a rotating basis and at a pre-established rate may be an answer. Just as costs are mitigated across the whole customer base for “A” particular insurance company, such an “Assigned Risk” pool of insurance providers would mitigate the higher costs of these clients over the entire “customer base” of ALL insurance companies.
I’m not supporting anything, anyone or any company. I’m just trying to think of reasonable solutions.
Of course, I’m not sure why I waste my time. I haven’t heard anything like this floated out by the people that are going to be making the decisions. But I fail to see why if it works well enough for the Automobile Insurance Companies that it wouldn’t work the same for Health Insurance.
janine, Yes, indeed, stupidity is a pre-existing condition.
However, I believe that coverage should be extended for all pre-existing conditions, including stupidity. The only way to reduce stupidity so that society is less afflicted by this burden, is to try and treat it.
Larry, every other first world country provides health care for all citizens, one way or another. And you say we cannot. Um, this isn’t even worth a discussion: why do you think we are so pathetic we can’t get it done? Why do you hate America?
“Women caught up in this cycle of abuse generally tend to seek out abusive relationships. That is something I have NEVER been able to understand.”
The cycle you’re talking about is called patriarchy, a male-dominated system that gives men the privilege and oppresses women. It’s a system that the men control, not the women According to this system, men are entitled to female bodies whenever the men wish to have them. If the women’s needs get in the way of that, she’s a bitch (i.e., a woman who doesn’t do what The Man tries to make her do) and deserves whatever comes to her (rape, violence, etc.). It’s a system that blames women, like you just did, for the violence perpetrated on them by the men, who are absolved of any wrongdoing, since they’re the privileged class who are given the benefit of the doubt. The women blame themselves too, since we all grow up in the same patriarchal system. It’s just that the women learn that the abuse is their own problem and that there’s nothing they can do about being in a violent relationship. And when they try to leave the abusive relationship, they’re more likely to be murdered, because the greatest enemy of a controlling and abusive man is a bitch. Maybe that’s why you can’t understand this cycle, because you’re blinded by your privilege.
And just as a side note, does anyone happen to know what the greatest cause of death is for pregnant women? Homicide.
Emily, I wouldn’t bother responding to to a profane comment, but you make such a nasty and erroneous accusation that I have to rebut.
Abused women tend to gravitate to abusive relationships. That is an oddity I do not understand. I didn’t blame anyone for anything. And I don’t. But I don’t understand.
Nor do I understand the many times I have seen an abused woman make excuses for the man that has abused her, lamenting that she loves him and returning to the abuse. No matter what efforts those of us well intentioned may do to try to dissuade her.
This is a classic example of you people shooting off your mouths and having no idea what you’re talking about. I have had female employees work for me that were victims of abuse. On several occasions, I have offered to rent or furnish them a place to stay to get away. My experience, sadly, has been that when you offer them a tangible alternative, they choose to return to the abuse. I believe statistically speaking that is accurate, though if you are aware of any findings to dispute that, I would welcome seeing them.
I know that many factors go into this syndrome of accepting abuse as a way of life. And I think any man that lays a hand on a woman or a child should be shot.
And while you may not want to “blame” women, at some point they have to accept SOME responsibility for continuing to return to and accept abusive relationships.
You can lead the horse to water……
Emily just laid the smackdown on Larry. Larry, you earned it with your ignorant comments.
In truth you are not really interested in discussion and sharing ideas, in the same way that Republicans are not really interested in negotiating health care reform. You’re trying to appeal to the tendency of liberals to be decent and forgiving – but, increasingly, some of us do not fall into the nice category.
Your objective is to troll around here, hoping that your vile will attract a few more cave dwellers for your causes.
Um, no thanks.
Noone deserves to be beaten but if they are beaten health care has to be available. This is outrageous!
If you have ever been to a doctor,you have a pre-existing condition.I have lived with my wife for 47 years ,and I think I have hit her once and that time would have NEVER happen if she would have just going on an left me alone,but she had to come out to the car as I was about to leave to stop the arguement,and keep running off at the mouth.I regret it til this day,I told her if we couldn’t live without this best to end it now.We still have words but that is as far as it goes I will still walk away,not that I am afraid of her but of myself.I don’t believe in hitting a woman(unless they just push it)and not in force a woman to do something she doesn’t want(to many in this world that does).
Before anyone else butts in, I just want to say that I love your honesty Walter.
What have I done wrong now?
Tommy Pane said:
> Before anyone else butts in, I just want to say that I
> love your honesty Walter.
Translation: I wish I was also honest and had the guts to say what I think.
Nothing Walter. “I don’t believe in hitting a woman(unless they just push it)…” is not exactly politically correct, especially with this group.
I know ,I have been told that many times.like they say I could mess up a one car wedding.
Wow. These conservatives think there are circumstances when it’s acceptable to hit women. That pretty much tells me everything I need to know about the character of these guys, and I think it’s safe to say my assumptions are correct. Idiots.
But it is ok for them to beat the crap out of you?Don’t think so.
RDS, you ignorant little twit. NO ONE has said it is acceptable to hit a woman. Are you reading or comprehension challenged? Or both?? One man has been honest enough to admit he wrongly lost his temper once and struck his wife. He apparently made amends for that mistake and hasn’t repeated it.
He didn’t have to. But he was honest enough to admit his mistaken action and to a hostile audience. That’s honesty you wouldn’t understand.
You only exercise courage and heroics while hiding behind a keyboard and a monitor
If you think it is ok to beat up women then you think it’s ok to beat up anyone, walter.
You mean to tell me you would let women,or men beat up on you, and you would just stand there an take it?I can’t believe you are that weak.If a woman but her self in a man place she should be able to take what she dishes out.
Larry,
To be fair, I think it’s understandable that you cannot comprehend why women often gravitate towards, and then stay in, abusive relationships. Having the snot beaten out of you for not washing the dishes fast enough is an experience you’ll probably never have, so of course you can’t relate. Most of these women grew up in abusive homes or were sexually molested as children, and people (both male and female) tend to gravitate toward the familiar, even if the familiar is awful. Men and women have different world views, and each have experiences that the other will never have. As a man, you don’t have to worry about being raped by someone you thought you could trust; you can’t know how it feels to be in world where most everyone in authority is more powerful than you in every way (socially, physically, financially); you weren’t taught from infancy to be sweet, soft, submissive and kind; where words like “tomboy” are a compliment (i.e., when a girl acts like a boy), but words like “sissy,” “girly-man,” “pussy,” and “momma’s boy” are insults (i.e., when a boy acts like a girl); you’ll never get pregnant (by accident, choice or force), and will never have to decide whether to have an abortion, become a mother, or become a mother and then give your child away. The fact that you can’t relate to these experiences doesn’t make you a bad man, it just makes you a man.
Similarly, there are experiences that men have, good and bad, that I can never relate to.
That said, spousal abuse is a criminal act. Insurance companies should not be allowed to consider a crime a “pre-existing condition.” Defending this will not win you any humanitarian awards. It’s right up there with Sarah Palin’s policy of charging rape victims for their rape kit.
On the idea of creating a national “risk pool” in order to spread risk more evenly…sounds logical, but this would only work if there were nationwide insurance policies. There aren’t (except for Medicare). Insurance companies can only sell policies within the states in which they’re licensed, and both licensing and policy rules are different in every state. That’s why some states have a lot of insurance companies to choose from and some have only one or two. There’s no way to spread the risky folks evenly among all the insurance companies outside the confines of each state.
There aren’t any easy answers. It would be nice if we could at least keep the discussion civil.
@Larry and Walter
You seem to be men that believe women deserve a beating every now and then if she pushes you too far.
@ Larry
If a woman is abused and ,as you state, seem to believe “abused women tend to gravitate to abusive relationships” is that a criteria for insurance companies not to insure them? If it hits home and you had a daughter that was beaten by a man, “because she would not leave her mate alone and deserved it”, is the sound business decision not to insure her still hold fast? Your daughter enters the hospital with multiple fractures and she must pay it herself?
Is the financial status of insurance companies more important than human beings?
Hobbie says it best..It is a crime. Insurance companies make their millions every year. Not to insure a person of domestic violence, because it is a pre-existing condition, will not fill the coffer that much more.
> RDS, you ignorant little twit. NO ONE has said it is
> acceptable to hit a woman. Are you reading or comprehension
> challenged? Or both?? One man has been honest enough to
walter said: “and I think I have hit her once and that time would have NEVER happen if she would have just going on an left me alone”
… looks like walter was trying to justify hitting his wife, so I stand by that. Also, he says “I think I have hit her once”. Don’t know about you, but I know for damn sure I have never hit my wife, ever.
> You only exercise courage and heroics while hiding behind
> a keyboard and a monitor
The problem is on your end – don’t read this blog if you can’t handle it.
Ally, if a man beats one of my daughters, I would kill him. Period. I wouldn’t need you, the Government or anyone else to protect my daughter from an abusive man.
Has nothing at all to do with business.
RDS, I stand by my comments. I have never hit a lady and I can’t imagine a circumstance where I would. I have however beat the snot out of a few “ignorant little twits”. But believe me. They deserved it. They always do. And eventually, they always get it.
I don’t think Walter was trying to justify hitting his wife. I think you jumped to conclusions once again.
This is the whole difficulty with the way people like you try to engage in intelligent discourse. Foremost, you lack the ability. But you frame the argument in extremes as if they are the norm.
Life happens. I’m sure we all at one time or another have done something we shouldn’t have done. My wife and I had some pushing and shoving arguments in our youth. Neither of us are proud of it, amends were made and accepted and we moved on with our life and our relationship.
@Ally I believe you closed the loop on this argument. Women beaten by husband so bad she goes to hospital – SETTING: “sorry babe – you knew it was commin’ and still stayed because ya love him or whatever. Well no insurance company will cover ‘beat me up syndrome’ so that will be $36,500 I’ll have accounting come by before you leave. And Boy is your husband going to be Pissed when he sees THIS bill! And SCENE
@Larry, as General George Patton once said “Boy, its not necessary that you understand”
@ Larry
ok , you kill the husband, your daughter still has to pay the bill.
Why?
because your daughter has a pre-existing condition,lived with a mental case, could not have insurance , stayed in an abusive relationship, which, according to you, you will never understand.
By your standards..after you kill the husband, and you are in prison, Little daughter still must find a way to pay the hospital bill.
and,The Insurance Company does not give a damn, all it wants is “The Money” I believe it has everything to do with business, in the most vile way.
I don’t hid from no one ,and if you think so.. just bring it on I will give you my address,an we will see who will run and hide.CAUSE A COUNTRY BOY CAN SURVIVE.
> I don’t hid from no one ,and if you think so.. just bring
> it on I will give you my address,an we will see who will
> run and hide.CAUSE A COUNTRY BOY CAN SURVIVE.
… a peek inside the distressed mind of a “compassionate” conservative. Key characteristics are: anger management issues, and low testosterone levels compensated for by an attempted display of bravado.
It’s a discussion of domestic violence against women, and what we end up with is a bunch of men hosing down the blog with testosterone.
Oh, the irony is just killing me.
Hobbie, apparently RDS has been given free rein to insult and ridicule at will. It’s frustrating being on the other side ideologically and having to watch what you say while people like that are given free rein to insult and call names at will.
In this thread, I don’t believe he has addressed or made one point. All he has done is call people names.
RDS took advantage of the safety and anonymity of online discussion and provoked Walter into responding exactly as he wanted him to, and then sits back and points and says, “See There!”
Not a very dignified manner of debate. Personally, I’d like to turn RDS and Walter loose in a room together and let them have their debate!!
Walter, my friend. Please don’t give them that. That is exactly what they want. Believe me, I know how difficult it is to quietly accept insults from people like that, but making statements like the one you have over the internet are useless and only feeds their misconceptions.
They are little bullies that want to tease you and provoke you into reacting and when they do, they want to laugh and point and say, “See there. I told you so.”
Try to take comfort in knowing that if you were sitting across the table from someone like RDS, he would not have the courage to talk to you the way he does from hundreds of miles away.
I’ve absorbed many an internet or telephone “whuppin’ ” in my life. They just don’t hurt.
Hang tough Walter. I, for one, appreciate your effort. These people neither recognize OR appreciate effort.
This thread is about violence against women and yet the men seem to believe, as usual, that the core of the conversation is all about them and how very macho they are.
Still a pissing contest – still too close to the wall.
Dahl, I can agree with you. I just would like to think most people can look back and see how it got turned that way.
I try to stay far enough away from the wall to at least not get splattered. Admittedly, I may not always be successful.
@Larry – Admittedly, it would be fair to say you are covered in urine.
@anteater LOL!!!
anteater, thank you for furthering the discussion. And I can see it doesn’t take much to amuse some of you.
This will be the end of this matter,I can’t help it if he is the one that has to hide(from his wife too I guess),just tried to make a point that I don’t beat women,but also don’t take crap off them just because they are women.But if a man wants to call me names do it to my face.don’t do it on a computer or phone do like a man (if you are one )which I doubt.So going an live in your perfect world and not in the REAL one.CASE CLOSED.
My conclusion based upon this discussion:
Men should not be in charge of anything.
Walter, in a colorful way, has made a very valid point. Calling people names should not be a part of any intelligent discussion.
I don’t mind being called down on the mistakes I make ,trying to respond to some of these blogs.I am 69 years old and when we went to school a, .or ? were about all the punt.mark we were taught so when people make fun of my mistakes it don’t bother me to much.But this name calling and calling me out of my name should be done to my face.I grew up the hard way(if you know what I mean)and have some scares to prove it,but I am still a man.I don’t need GUNS or KNIFES to prove it.
So @Larry says: “…………. Calling people names should not be a part of any intelligent discussion.”
Now if you are not familiar with Larry’s posts; check out a few and you too will be ROFLYAO.
I would call you a hypocrite Larry, but I want this to be an Intelligent discussion.
Levity I luv it
And Walter – for petes sake; go in the bathroom and get ahold of yourself man :->
Walter. Meet me at the corner of elm and main at 9 tonight. We’ll settle this for once and for all you yellow bellied coward. No knives or guns. Just you and me mano a mano.
Walter, anteater is just kidding. His mommy makes him go to bed by eight. Grammar School starts early.
Besides that, in a mano a mano showdown with him, you would be the only mano there!!
I know this town pretty good ,and Elm doesn’t intersect with Main.And if you think I am that dumb the joke is on you If it did meet I would be standing there for a long time.You are not worth me even wasting my time with,so crawl back in the whole you came out of(no I mean rock)I don’t think she would want you back.
Walter…PLEASE settle down. Can’t you see this is exactly what he wants?
anteater is probably about 12 years old and obviously takes glee in tormenting people. There is probably a stack of wingless flies lying by his Batmobile Bed.
Ignore him and like any good little boy, he’ll go away when it’s no longer fun to aggravate you.
I know a lot of them get their cookies messing with me,but it just shows what kind of clowns they are.Maybe they tell each other SEE how I messed with that old mans mind.But at least I have one an they just have to wish they did,there isn’t anything smart about them except mouth,so it don’t bother me but it bugs the hell out of them.
Sorry walter. Did I say elm and main? I meant elm and 7th. See you at 9. Don’t forget, no guns.
@Larry, Larry, you freakin’ amaze us all at times.
No that right wing trick no longer works. YOU put words in people’s mouth and then tell them to eat them! Nope no one ever said you INITIATED or STARTED OFF name calling as if placement was your “win” your “….tell me if I have ‘Initiated’ any name calling” and your “…I ‘started off’…”
No all your name calling was usually right at the end on your posts if placement is important to ya. . I am still ROFLMAO
Sorry wrong again.Go play in the traffic.I don’t want to get the axe on account of a trouble maker like you.BYE-BYE.
@Hobbie
You were absolutely correct when you said “It’s a discussion of domestic violence against women, and what we end up with is a bunch of men hosing down the blog with testosterone. Oh, the irony is just killing me.”
It’s killing me as well
@janine
Well, it looks like the boys have gone off to massage their wounded egos (or some such part), so maybe we won’t have to die after all!
Back to the subject at hand…as someone who once sold health insurance for a living, I can verify that despicable policy provisions like this one are rampant throughout the industry. It’s funny, really. When a thug makes the neighborhood store-owners pay money to keep their stores safe, it’s called a protection racket. When insurance companies make you pay to keep your life savings safe, it’s called a legitimate business.
More irony to die for.
@Hobbie
you have a unique perspective as a health care provider and also a former insurance sales person and I appreciate your insightful comments!
Domestic violence can be a slow process and not one of physical altercation. Mental anguish also is a passive aggressive form of violence. You can violate a person’s mind with insults and putting them down with derogatory statements used over and over again. Women as myself then find themselves in a windmill of lack of self esteem that keeps them attached to the oppressor due to fear of the unknown and “what will I find out there? Or what will he do to me if he finds me?”
I was attacked once and I took it and then I was a attacked a second time and my defense mechanisms were already in place and I who am very small sent the person to the hospital by defending myself with every lamp, telephone, plant, as I ran out the door. No we cannot succumb to abuse of any kind! I took it once because I was shocked, but not twice. This person never ever again put a hand on me. I don’t recommend that approach but it worked for me until I was able to move on.
He was able to get treated at the emergency room so that is what happens and we the tax payers end up paying for the expensive treatment. We need to have violence and passive violence included in this bill even if it is a pre-existing condition as they say! What a bunch of bull! Pre-existing for the aggressor or the victim?
@Oppressed I too was battered, but there was nothing to throw; no door to run out of. The ‘hits’ started small and snide taking me quite some time actually (Imbecilic doncha know) to realize he was indeed right, I was too stupid to have an opinion – after all he was a doctor (I was just smart enough to work and help him through med school). I did get out before I was a blithering idiot (had 2 kids to raise).
Re-married to someone who thought I was a very smart woman (which I was and still am) But about 6 months into the marriage I was not knowing “my place” as a woman – you know; can’t work, finances are for men folk, etc. I’m sure you were given the list. If not I am told it is in the bible. This one took a bit longer to get out of – finance info literally locked up – can’t work…. Later in life, when everything in my life was oh so good – it all came crashing down on me in the form of a breakdown (No hospitalization needed – it was more like a WTF?!)
So I guess the insurance companies would consider this a pre-existing condition in those states?
In fact they will have to wipe out covering Mental Health altogether – Somethin’ musta caused it!!
Larry and Walter,
What are we going to do with you? Why do you perpetuate the violence attributed to men ? Why is your response always to be belligerent and mean ? Is there no solution other than come outside and fight like a man ? Is killing a man the absolution you need to justify a reprehensible offense on a bettered daughter? Is profit reason enough not to treat battered women under any circumstance ?
I see insurance companies financing construction of office buildings downtown and they will make more money because they will try not to pay for claims against them. They have whole departments set up so they can check for all kinds of reasons not to pay but they are the first to cash your payment every month and we all pay like saps.
We need an overhaul and even today shows evidence why we need to discredit discrimination against women and call them out. Hitting a women weaker than you makes one a coward and however you look at it,it should stay with one for the rest of his life.Just because you are naturally more powerful that a lady doesn’t give you the right to control or hurt her. You are weak and slimy if you do and it has nothing to do with only the strong survive. It is not physical strength that makes a man but intellectial strength that goes beyond the anger and the pain. To reason the source of the problem and encourage the solutions. I have seen salesmen tell wives to hush up while husbands buy their goods. Continuing mental torture is equivalent to wife beating. And to allow insurance companies the gall not to insure a battered woman is to allow the crime to perpetuate. This is not the american way and it has to stop. This is why preconditions are not a reason to treat a person under the new legisltation that will be passed. We are finally coming out of the dark age and reaching an enlightened era.
God bless America
I DO-NOT hate women (I have loved as many as I could).If a man beats up a woman ,HE should be made to pay the bill.Answer me this do you think it is o k for a woman to hit a man and him do nothing?Like I say if they put themselves in a man place they should take what they dish out.
Jovial, good points.
Let’s take a closer look at the insurance companies: what service do they provide? What added value do they offer consumers? I can’t think of *anything* these companies do except act as the middle-man between doctors and patients. They take money from their pools of consumer cash, and pay the doctors. They’re not providing true insurance because they’re not spreading the risk – they dump patients at will, deny coverage, and they do not have to tell you up front what is covered and what is not. What other industry is allowed to sell a product without specifying what you’re going to get for your money? Imagine if you paid for a new Lexus and the car dealer rolled out a Ford Taurus instead (or even decided that they’re not going to give you a car at all)… in the insurance world not only is that what they do, it is perfectly *legal* and protected by law, thanks to our corrupt congress.
We do not need private insurers to pay them for the paperwork they produce. There is no point to it!
walter, some of us disagree with you on principle – it is unacceptable to beat a woman up. Period. Just like it would be unacceptable for a woman to beat a child up. Just like it would be unacceptable for a child to beat up a baby.
See what I mean? Basically, it’s not cool to beat up on someone that cannot fairly defend themselves. In a decent society, the idea is that fighting is for self defense only. It’s pretty straightforward except for people that like to use violence anyway.
And, walter, I stayed out of the stupid testosterone fight you and Larry were waging but here are my observations: 1) the boys that like to mouth off are usually the first ones to cry like babies… they usually can’t bring it. 2) anyone who picks a fight without knowing who their opponent is, is a moron, and see point #1 again.
@Walter if I could quickly answer that one as a Police officer would who just showed up for the domestic violence call….
“No sir it was not OK for her to hit you. but should have removed yourself from the situation and called the police” “No sir we do not decide which place a person should be in; please get in the car and watch yer head”
@Walter, read my post above – its all about women getting “out of place”
All insurance companies have their own SCAM.There is no such thing as a policy that you can under stand,and no one is going to spend 5 days trying to read it an still have to take it to a lawyer,an he can’t make sense out of it either.So I say nail them to the wall.
@RDS I don’t try to pick a fight also try to stay out of places where one might happen.But if someone bring one to me I won’t run(at the end might have wished I had)I have NEVER beat a woman in my life an would stop anyone I saw doing it may get shoot for trying.My phil. has always been to love them because my MOTHER was one. Dahl that shows that a man doesn’t stand a chance.the law always takes the side of a female.
@ jovial
You make sense. This thread was butchered by the likes of Walter and Larry.
It is about a pre-existing condition called domestic violence, it is about the callous insurance companies that won’t pay a real file, an issue that is twice beaten into the person being violated, ( male or female). First ,the physical and then ,the financial torture.
And it is about the Republican party that can not see beyond their greedy eyes.
” For Republicans, taking care of the insurance industry takes precedence over the needs of battered women.”
Well said Sir!
You will have to leave Larry out for a week,if you didn’t read he has been put down for a week.so it just leaves Walter to pick on,that why I try not to get in so much trouble(but the devil makes me do it).