The Republican presidential race appears to have shifted from debating the economy to discussing social issues - same-sex marriage, abortion and, amazingly enough, birth control. The year is 2012 and ...
Mitt Romney believes that his best line of attack is making the claim that he has not spent a moment as a D.C. politician while his two main opponents, Newt ...
No two ways about it, Rick Santorum had a good night. Not only did he sweep Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri but he also got off the best line of the ...
Few would argue the fact that Citizens United has been a major player in the Republican primary...and many if not most would concede that none of it has been healthy ...
As if you needed another reason to not vote Romney.
Celebrity business magnate Donald Trump endorsed Mitt Romney for president Thursday, telling reporters he will not mount an independent campaign if ...
In a perfect world, the Republican contest to find a nominee to face Barack Obama would go on forever...or at least until August. You cannot attach a number to the ...
I suspect there are a ton of conservatives secretly agreeing with Begala and while it's too early in the game for Dems to get cocky, it's difficult to not smile ...
Quotes don't get much better than this one by Bob Dole.
"Why do people take such an instant dislike to me?" asked a perplexed Gingrich, to whom Dole bluntly ...
After the beating Gingrich took last night, it's hard to imagine under what scenario he can make a comeback. Florida is going to Romney and for Gingrich to regain the ...
There's a lot out there on the President's SOTU, so I'll keep my thoughts short and sweet.
The speech did what it had to do which was target liberals and independents ...
The highlights from last night's debate.
- Newt Gingrich can't wait to become president so he can revisit the early 60s and overthrow Castro in Cuba. War, baby, war.
- Santorum, who ...
It appears that the South Carolina verdict is forcing Romney to start taking Gingrich seriously.
“We’re not choosing a talk show host, we’re choosing a leader,” Romney said, saying that their ...
Mike Huckabee offers advice to Mitt Romney concerning his unreleased tax returns.
Let him [Romney] make this challenge: "I'll release my tax returns when Barack Obama releases his college transcripts and ...
Via Political Humor...
"Mitt Romney is coming under fire because even though he is a multimillionaire, he only paid 15 percent in taxes. That's not a tax, that's barely a tip." ...
Good line.
My guess is that after Romney fails to beat Obama in the general, Huntsman will be back in 2016. The most electable guy in the field and he could ...
I found this pretty funny...and accurate. It comes from a reader over at Balloon Juice.
So, let’s review. The contenders for the GOP nomination are
A vulture capitalist who believes that any ...
Lively little debate going on at one of last week's posts with Libertarianism put under the microscope.
ocLiberal:
I know I am in sketchy territory here, (start the indignant shouting now) but ...
In the contest to determine the winner of the Far-Right Politics gold medal, rack up a few more points for Newt Gingrich.
“I think an intelligent conservative wants the right federal ...
Via Political Humor...
"Congratulations to Mitt Romney. He won the New Hampshire primary last night. See, this is proof that even the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire can beat the odds ...
Former Republican Senator Chuck Hagel was always one of the brighter lights in a party devoid of much integrity or brainpower.
“If your attitude is wrong, if your intention is to use healthcare to destroy the other party, or to destroy the presidency of Barack Obama, then it’s very unlikely you’re going to find much consensus from people who want to use healthcare.”
“As some Republican senators have said publicly — that if we kill Obama on this, and we destroy this, and we defeat his, that will drive a stake through his political heart on this administration. I just find that about as irresponsible of a thing as I can think of.”
A 19% approval rating for Republicans in Congress is what you get when you have too many Michele Bachmanns and not enough Chuck Hagels.
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This guy is great. I was so hoping that Obama would ask him to be a part of his admin. I would have voted for him if he’d run for president against Hillary…
Blue, why? he was on board with the Bush tax cuts/wealth transfer, while I think he was one of the better conservatives, people like Inhofe, Chambliss, set the bar so low all he had to do is tip -toe over it, as far as Hillary goes, and this where a lot of Obama supporters either don’t understand or get it wrong, is that no matter who the Democrats have as leader that’s who the Republicans will demonize, they have Harry Reid a moderate pro-gun, anti-abortion leader and yet the CONs still demonize him. the truth is the GOP really since the rise of talk radio will demonize anyone with a D in front of their name. they have the well funded teabag movement, do you really think they went after ACORN because they were actually concerned about voter fraud? I heard Limbaugh this morning and all he could do is come up with ways how the housing crises was caused by Democrats, Carter, Clinton, Dodd, Frank, ACORN, that’s these people do, they train their listeners to not take in information or read news papers, when you talk to someone that listens to these shows you can tell by the way they parrot talking points, the constitution, cap and trade, job killer, left-wing…
Traitor pane.there is a lot more to that that simplistic con talking point, you people run around and scream about taxes, and yet either you are lying or have no real idea how the corporate tax structure works, all those things the gov does such as defense have to be paid, yes it was a wealth transfer, when CEOs were rewarded for cutting wages, when the same group made it almost impossible to stop illegal immigration and then told us if we put on a show at the border if would stop, if we have to compete then it means everyone including paying executives what they are paid elsewhere or outsourcing them and while we are at it why not outsource some of these cry baby police depts.
pane, go to the IRS website, look at a 1120 form and see how the thing actually works,there is a reason the corporate share of federal taxes has gone down to like maybe a 3rd of what is was in the 1950s
ever hear of carry forward/back losses,
keep their money? when Bush took office we had surpluses, even Bush admitted in an interview that his tax cuts were largely responsible for the deficits.
and don’t give the nonsense about how the upper income pays a high share, like the top 2% pay 40% of income taxes, the top 2 or 10% don’t just make 2% or 10% of all income.
Wow, you’re calling me a traitor? I don’t have time right now to address everything you’ve said (I’m almost late for a surprise party right now, and tomorrow I have to attend the funeral of my best friend), but the short story is that most of the taxes are paid by people like me. Some corporations get generous tax breaks (rules written by Barney Franks), and the ones that don’t, raise consumer pricing to pay those taxes. If the government wasn’t taking as much, they won’t have to take as much from me. Or from you in the form of surcharges on the things you buy.
wow you like most cons cannot answer a question, you have no ideas of your own. again do you even know how a 1120 works? or how the corporate tax structure works?
You have to realise that rich people like Tommy and the Tennessean got rich on the backs of people and they like it that way. When it comes down that they should give back some of that prosperity,they cower,scream and defend whatever cheap tactic to counter policies that will make people above the standard. They keep dreaming up this belief that private enterprise is doing a great job and paying most taxes when in actual fact they are using all kinds of loopholes so they don’t have to pay taxes.
Why are we in a mess today? Because private enterprise did not do their job well and we the people need a representative to step in and tell them that it is over. It is now our turn to get back what we gave to the democratic system. the Time is now.
“They keep dreaming up this belief that private enterprise is doing a great job and paying most taxes when in actual fact they are using all kinds of loopholes so they don’t have to pay taxes.”
Private enterprise pays all the taxes. All the government’s revenue comes from taxing private enterprise. Call me naive, but I thought everyone knew that.
you are either naive or dishonest. when you say private enterprise do you mean wage earners that make money in the private sector or actual businesses? because if you are talking about actual busineses no they dont, you can get all worked up on talk radio but at the end of the day the individual taxpayer actually pays most of the taxes in this country, if you go back 40 or 50 years it was not that way, in the past it was businesses and excise taxes, the estate tax does not kick until 3.5 million and it is lower than other countries including Japan as our capital gains tax, also the carry forward/back loss provisions are far more generous than other countries.
defolts, wrong, wrong, wrong!!! The figures below are from 2004. It is my understanding the number of “tax neutral” citizens in the US has increased to 50% this year.
Regardless of how you may feel about it, the less fortunate pay the least taxes and receive the most benefit. And as Tommy says and as THOROUGH research supports, Small Businesses and Business Persons pay the bulk of those taxes AND create the Greatest Majority of New Jobs.
According to the SBA Office of Advocacy:
SMALL FIRMS:
• Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
• Employ about half of all private sector employees.
• Pay nearly 45 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
• Have generated 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually over the last decade.
• Create more than half of nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).
• Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists,
engineers, and computer workers).
• Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
• Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced
28.9 percent of the known export value in FY 2006.
• Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large
“The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $410,096) earned approximately 22.8 percent of the nation’s income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 40.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid more in federal individual income taxes than the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.”
“During 2006, Tax Foundation economists estimate that roughly 43.4 million tax returns, representing 91 million individuals, will face a zero or negative tax liability. That’s out of a total of 136 million federal tax returns that will be filed. Adding to this figure the 15 million households and individuals who file no tax return at all, roughly 121 million Americans—or 41 percent of the U.S. population—will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006.1 This total includes those who pay no tax, and those who pay some tax upfront and are later refunded the full amount of the tax paid or more.”
You need to take those little liberal blinders off. We are living “Atlas Shrugged”. Beware of the shrug.
so are they firm or are they individuals?
you think just maybe you could take off the sheets and admit that if they bothered to raise wages in this country there would not be a need for the EIC?
Liberal? now who has the blinders on? I support gun owner ship, I dont the believe the top 35% bracket should be raised or nor do I believe in Abortion on demand.I am also opposed to illegal immigration and inclusive housing, if you don’t make enough money you should not move to a upper income neighborhood, keep your thugs at home. Is that liberal? if you can’t learn the language of the land (English,which big business thinks you don’t have to speak) too bad, not my problem, is that liberal? do I care if gays get married? no! do I think it should be taught to kids as just another lifestyle choice? no! do I think that people like Keith Olberman, Bill Maher and a few others go overboard and stifle legitimate debate when they talk of so-called white privilege or say something is racist because say someone is against illegal immigration? absolutely, is that liberal?
you however think we should invade countries that had nothing to do with9/11, your answer to falling wages is to work harder, you support foreign companies shifting money out of the U.S. FYI corporations represent 86% of all business revenue, do honestly think the cons care about small business?
seeing as how you are allegedly from TN probably not, but more likely you are the paid poster for the GOP/Heritage Foundation/Chamber of commerce.
to use the disingenuous argument about taxes and failing to take into account the EIC which the cons raised instead of wages, shows what a dishonest individual you are or to even mention small firms. I am not arguing the wealthy in this country don’t pay enough in taxes, from what I have seen in most returns most well to do individuals pay between 20 and 30% in federal taxes, what I am arguing is that large corporations( the bulk of business revenue, the ones that fund tort reform and prevent us from cracking down on illegal immigration) pay much less now then they historically have the burden has been shifted to the individual taxpayer.
First of all, doesn’t Charles Rangel (a dem) run the committee that writes the tax codes?
Second, be careful what you ask for. When individuals are taxed, they have no recourse but to suck it up and pay the bill. They have to budget for the taxes they owe. But when corporations are taxed, they treat it as a bottom line expense and pass the cost on to their customers. Since you’re likely one of their customers, you are actually the one paying the tax. If the corporate taxes are increased, you will end up paying more for the products that you buy.
Increasing taxes on corporations will actually take more money from your pocket, not from theirs.
defolts and jovial, for a couple of people that have no idea who or what they are talking about, you sure say a lot.
You should just stick to calling people names. It seems to be your strongest suite. I’m with the KKK, dishonest and lying about being from Tennessee and Tommy’s a traitor. Way to debate a point.
btw….what is the Death Tax going to be in 2011 when Obama and the Dem’s allow Bush cuts to expire?
talk about having no idea of what they are talking about, some fake GOP poster comes on here and cannot answer a question, the tax code was not written after 2007, again I say look at a 1120 form and see how it actually works, instead of regurgitating GOP talking points, neither of you two really know how the tax system works or when you actually pay corporate taxes, it is not like the individual taxpayer 1040 form, if they were temporary “tax cuts” and I use that term loosely, because all they did was run up debt, why wouldn’t they expire? or was the real intention to force the dems into a position where it looks like they want to raise taxes? he had six years of total control why were these rules not fixed before 2007? you probably lack the intelligence to realize you are with the KKK, probably think that all you are doing is dressing up as a scary ghost and just burning crosses and the whole confederate flag thing, why its just your heritage.
taxes for a corporation are not a budget item, it not well I have to save all this money because I have taxes to pay, if you don’t make money your are not paying taxes, if a individual say a couple makes $137,580 a year which is not hard to do with 2 incomes, and they have all kinds of bills they still owe uncle same even with deductions they most likely will owe something, but a company can make a hundred or a thousand times more and not owe anything, most of their expenses are above the line, again I will say for the clueless the corporate share of taxes has gone down from about half in the 1950s to maybe a 3rd and these rules were not written by Charles “Reagan” Rangel or Barney “Bush” Frank these rules were written over decades it is like the same tort reform scam they keep on pulling they pass more laws that make it harder to sue and lawsuit awards go down and down and still they keep on singing the same tune, the same with corporate taxes, amounts have gone down, the deductions have become more generous, and still they cry about being over taxed, they move headquarters overseas to dodge paying taxes all together, a very traitorous action and no one does a thing. these same people piss and moan about how government cannot run anything and out of the same mouth they claim a government option will put health insurance companies out of business, the same companies that have all kinds of ways to deny coverage due to preexisting conditions, and none of the CON Jobs have an answer to what a person is supposed to do when they are denied coverage.
@defolts: Tenneassean calls people stupid every single day here. I don’t think a day has gone by where “stupid” hasn’t been typed out by her. Obviously, you are far from stupid. Calling you that, would be, Stupid.
@Tennessean: See, I can type that word too. 4 times in the above sentences. It’s hurtful & I keep telling you that. It also makes you look as if you’re pissed off because you lost what you were trying to debate.
Anomaly100, I tried to point out how the tax system works and these con poster parrot the same empty talking points over and over, the problem is not that the rich don’t pay enough in taxes, I think they generally do, its that the share of corporate and excise taxes has gone down, in the 1950s corporate taxes were around half of federal tax revenue, now they are less than 15%, they run this song and dance about how small business creates over half the jobs but conveniently leave out how corporate revenue accounts for 86% of all business revenue, you could propose a system to where small businesses would pay 15 or 20% tax on income but get rid of all the breaks that big business has but I guarantee you that the cons would come up with dozens of reason why we could not do this, and a lot of the reasons would contradict previous arguments. the truth is they are anarchists, they got their way on tort reform and still it is not enough, they got business taxes lowered and still it is not enough, they got the capital gains tax down to 15%, (it was much higher under Reagan) and still it is not enough, it seems to me it is all a game to them, they care about gays getting married (gee I wonder why) birth certificates, and yet their candidate was actually born overseas, and VP choice was involved in separatist issues. when the stock market was down in March it was because of Obama then when it went up it was in-spite of Obama, either its one or the other not both.
@defolts; The Republicans have more talking points than common sense. I admit to not knowing anything about taxes, but I don’t try to argue it with talking points. I admit to not knowing. It’s infuriating when someone tries to feign intellgence but only parrots the talking points of their pundits.
You forgot to mention the MUSTARD!! President Obama likes…MUSTARD! That bastard! And then there was the power fist with his wife. They claimed it was a secret militant or terrorist plot to take over the world! And yes, the birthers. What can you say about thousands of little Lou Dobbs running around rambling nonsenical rants? You can show them mountains of proof yet they’ll ignore it every time. Ayers! Remember the “palin’ around with terrorists!” Ok, Palin actually sleeps with a wannabe secessionist. What would little Sarah have said about Obama if the shoe had been on the other foot? She’d put her words into what she calls, “speeches” but can only be identified as verbal farts. She’s calls a press conference to say she’s been hurt by the media. She is a human oxymoron, and I emphasize “moron.” One day, perhaps the Republicans will take a good hard look at the remnants of their party, take Cheney’s vocal cords out, let Sarah & Todd secede to a little deserted island & send them the birthers. Hey, I can dream can’t I?!
I admit to tacking most of the courses, for a B.S. in accounting at a Cal State Campus, I think I know a little about how the tax code works, but hey if I listened to talk radio and tuned out everything else, I wonder what it would have done to my grades?
a serious exchange? do you really want that,you have yet answer any real questions. you go over and over about and yet large corporations are the bulk of all business revenue, how much money do you think a company like Wal Mart grosses in one year? now how many small companies do you think it takes to equal that amount of revenue, I could on XOM MSFT GE, do you realize how many small businesses it takes to equal that amount of revenue? I have said and will say repeatedly for which I will be ignored, I don’t think the problem lies with wealthy individuals not paying enough in taxes it is that large corporations have been paying less and less, this happened over time and yes the cons have repeatedly states that government needs to get off the backs of business, and what have we gotten in return, a huge national debt, it was under a trillion in 1981, more illegals, Reagan did an amnesty program and said that would be it and now we are worse off, 30 years ago you could get by with only one parent working and now both must work just so some executive can have more. how does that benefit us? we have been doing tort reform for decades now and lawsuit awards are down and it is harder to file and yet they keep telling us we need tort reform. the Japanese protect their industries and yet we are not allowed to protect ours, how does this benefit us?
defolts – I run a small business. There are many deductions my company can, and does take. (The social engineering aspect of those deductions is another debate.) What I do have to pay in federal, state and local taxes, are considered expenses. If I didn’t account for them as expenses when figuring what I have to charge my customers, I would go broke. It’s been that way since 1981 when I first started my company.
Believe me, every company, of every size, operates the same way. It’s the reason corporate taxes are not a big issues of debate in the whole scheme of things. Your representatives are smart enough to know that those expenses are just passed on to their constituients as higher prices.
Now, the bigger question I have for you is, why do you support people paying more in taxes? Wouldn’t it make more sense to reduce the size of government’s footprint on our economy?
The only answer I can seem to come up with is, that progressives feel people, in general, are reluctant to help others who are less fortunate. Therefore they feel they must take the money from the “greedy” and give it to the “needy”.
not at all. you missed the point entirely, did I say I was in favor of raising the top tax rate? no! I said and apparently I am talking to the wall, because you and tenn keep bringing up GOP talking points, when you inserted social engineering into you comments about your tax form, where is and what is the specific internal revenue code. you want to reduce the governments foot print, how, the military budget? we have 10,000 nukes how much of a military do we really need? and why are we defending countries like Japan and South Korea? how does that benefit us. who really knows if you actually run a company, you don’t seem very aware of how businesses are taxed.
defolts, Why do you have to sprinkle your comments with childish insults while impugning one’s word? It does nothing for your credibility when you question what one says with no basis.
For the difference in corporate taxes and small businesses, what about proportionality? With the average income of a small business being around $233,000 and an average tax rate of approximately 17.1%, I would be curious to know how that shakes out proportionately. (Can’t readily find figures on average corporate incomes or tax rates.)
Tenngoposter, you would never insult would you? you come from a state that does not have one of the higher standards of living and think that’s it should be, assume that someone who does not believe what is on talk radio, fox news or the heritage foundation must be liberal, you cite this SBA website, and some how expect everyone to conclude well look what they are doing for the country, why are we taxing them, I will repeat, which you probably cannot respond to, I never said individual rates are too high, nor do I advocate raising them, I said that the corporate share of U.S. Income taxes has gone down, (along with excise taxes) and for what? what have we really gained by it? do you realize Wal-Mart alone represents about 2% or so of GDP? do you know how many small businesses it would take to equal one Wal-Mart? let alone XOM or GE, Chevron, Conoco, AT&T, BofA, Valero… they are the bulk of the U.S. economy, they account for around 86% of all business revenues and lot of them pay very little in taxes, it has been a long term trend, they have very generous carry forward/back loss provisions, many dodge U.S. income taxes all together. they pay less than a 3rd of what they paid in the 1950s When Eisenhower was president. they are the ones that set it up to have 10s of millions of illegals, er undocumented workers. the Earned Income Credit is used instead of raising wages, sure we could have a higher minimum wage like say the Japanese who also have national health care but instead we pass the lower wage costs off on the public. http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/26/tax_subsidies/ non of you cons can explain why other countries like Japan protect their industries but we cannot, Bob Corker talked of competing but left out the fact that Japanese executives are paid less and they have national health care, they protect their industries, oh and their FICA taxes are also higher along with their capital gains taxes and estate taxes, and their carry forward/back loss provisions go back 1 year and forward 7 not the 2 and 20 we have, yeah that’s right a corp could theoretically avoid paying taxes for 20 years, cant think of any other developed major country that does this.
defolts, I can’t speak for anyone else you label. I find your posts too offensive and too immature to give serious consideration. You don’t respond to anything except to call people names. And now you want to make ignorant statements about an entire State.
Just wondering why your prejudices and bigotry are better than mine?
tenngoposter, is this mature?(btw numb nuts. The book’s not out yet so how could I or much of anyone else have any opinion of her book writing skills or whose “league” she may or may not be in?) or this?
Anomaly, before you go off making a fool of yourself, perhaps YOU should read it again. And when you do, I’ll give you a chance to stop right here and not further embarrass yourself.
I said, “Stupidity such as this plays well..” That is hardly calling any person anything.
Seriously now. Go to bed. Get a good nights sleep. You’re making me feel bad for you. You are not making “our” gender ;-) look very good. ;-) nothing is ever your fault is it? you say we should not try to make the world better for people but you were right there in 2003 when we made it worse for people and you all kept changing your story. personally I find people like you offensive, you live in the most violent region of the country and yet you are the toughest on crime, you give foreign companies tax breaks because you hate unions, I can’t think of anyone that would rather live in Memphis over San Diego. you cry babies got your way on taxes, tort reform, labor, and yet it still it not enough,
you traitors whine about ACORN but think it is hilarious when some company, like Lockheed, KBR Dyn Corp… rips off the gov, you are supposedly pro life but then you have nothing else to offer, there are lots of countries in Africa that don’t do anything for their citizens and have very limited if any gov, you could live their.
I agree you basically are full of it, you went to the O’Reilly school, I can attack now you keep it professional, the world does not revolve around you, and if you accuse someone of name calling then you have to be called out on it. how exactly is that immature? you must sit at home at worship Sarah Palin, you seem to act the same, let me insult, now don’t respond.
nothing you people say makes sense, go back to the early 90s, Clinton should have attacked after the 1st trade center attack but Reagan and lockerbie that was nothing to worry about.
“The term anal-retentive…is used conversationally to describe a person with such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person.”
(Kinda weak though. Only one example so far, and considering that according to you, I use it repeatedly every day.)
You should consider letting it go and not further embarrassing and humiliating yourself.
“mario says, “If we extrapolate Bardwell’s concern “for the children” then he should not marry stupid people..”
Don’t stop there. Let’s refuse to marry Liberal’s also!! Of course, I guess those two groups could be interchangeable”
I could do this all night but I’m bored now. I honestly didn’t want to add the one you wrote to Defolts. I felt bad typing it. It’s a shame that in your thesaurus, you can’t find other words besides, “stupid” to express yourself. On some of the threads you used them more than once, but I think you’ve got the picture. By the way, I am NOT embarrassed. I have no reason to be. You are the one that said you didn’t call people “stupid.” I’ve given you 6 or 7 examples, maybe more. And this does count ;-) :
Anomaly, tell you what. The only thing you’ve done is screw up the blog commentary with some obsessive, compulsive behavior manifestation. You’ve proven you are quite the anal retentive whack job.
This is not the place. You want to have a personal exchange with me then you can note this to Mario. He has my permission to give you my email. Then, you can carry on with your childishness in that manner and you won’t “Clog the blog” with this type of commentary.
Really. It would be a respite for me to engage in some immature exchanges for awhile. Kinda like taking a break to read a comic book in the middle of reading War and Peace.
In the meantime, I think it would serve everyone well were you to stick to the type of commentary this blog invites.
@Tennessean: I clogged the blog? It was the amount of times *you* called others “stupid” that clogged it & I didn’t even get started. You asked me to, I did. You said this isn’t the place, but you kept it up, said I lied, asked me to not “embarrass” myself because you said it wasn’t true. Obviously, it is true AND I am not embarrassed. :cool:
Do not pretend you now care about the same people you call “stupid” on here. Now, you want to manage Mario’s blog, by telling me to stick to the subject. I am. You aren’t. You’ve tried to change the subject after asking me repeatedly to prove this. It’s done. Now, about the name “Larry”. Do you know this person? Just curious because I have a hunch you know him very well. ;-)
Anomaly, you are incredibly stupid. Please keep it up as you see fit. The unfortunate thing about YOUR particular brand of stupidity is you don’t even realize it. And the only thing you have proven is….well…..see above.
I’m not trying to manage anything. I respect Mario and his effort even though I disagree with virtually his every thought….politically.
I’m simply trying to point out to you that which you appear too ignorant to understand.
Everything further you write simply proves what I have said. Good Night.
@Tennessean: It was ONLY a question. I went through a few comments (as you commanded) and I noted a distinct similarity. I only thought Larry might be a relative ;-) . Sooo, EXCUSSSSSEE MEEE!
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This guy is great. I was so hoping that Obama would ask him to be a part of his admin. I would have voted for him if he’d run for president against Hillary…
Blue, why? he was on board with the Bush tax cuts/wealth transfer, while I think he was one of the better conservatives, people like Inhofe, Chambliss, set the bar so low all he had to do is tip -toe over it, as far as Hillary goes, and this where a lot of Obama supporters either don’t understand or get it wrong, is that no matter who the Democrats have as leader that’s who the Republicans will demonize, they have Harry Reid a moderate pro-gun, anti-abortion leader and yet the CONs still demonize him. the truth is the GOP really since the rise of talk radio will demonize anyone with a D in front of their name. they have the well funded teabag movement, do you really think they went after ACORN because they were actually concerned about voter fraud? I heard Limbaugh this morning and all he could do is come up with ways how the housing crises was caused by Democrats, Carter, Clinton, Dodd, Frank, ACORN, that’s these people do, they train their listeners to not take in information or read news papers, when you talk to someone that listens to these shows you can tell by the way they parrot talking points, the constitution, cap and trade, job killer, left-wing…
“Bush tax cuts/wealth transfer”
That’s funny defolts. Like letting people keep their own money is transferring wealth. LOL
Traitor pane.there is a lot more to that that simplistic con talking point, you people run around and scream about taxes, and yet either you are lying or have no real idea how the corporate tax structure works, all those things the gov does such as defense have to be paid, yes it was a wealth transfer, when CEOs were rewarded for cutting wages, when the same group made it almost impossible to stop illegal immigration and then told us if we put on a show at the border if would stop, if we have to compete then it means everyone including paying executives what they are paid elsewhere or outsourcing them and while we are at it why not outsource some of these cry baby police depts.
pane, go to the IRS website, look at a 1120 form and see how the thing actually works,there is a reason the corporate share of federal taxes has gone down to like maybe a 3rd of what is was in the 1950s
ever hear of carry forward/back losses,
keep their money? when Bush took office we had surpluses, even Bush admitted in an interview that his tax cuts were largely responsible for the deficits.
and don’t give the nonsense about how the upper income pays a high share, like the top 2% pay 40% of income taxes, the top 2 or 10% don’t just make 2% or 10% of all income.
Wow, you’re calling me a traitor? I don’t have time right now to address everything you’ve said (I’m almost late for a surprise party right now, and tomorrow I have to attend the funeral of my best friend), but the short story is that most of the taxes are paid by people like me. Some corporations get generous tax breaks (rules written by Barney Franks), and the ones that don’t, raise consumer pricing to pay those taxes. If the government wasn’t taking as much, they won’t have to take as much from me. Or from you in the form of surcharges on the things you buy.
I’m being yelled at for being late. Good night.
wow you like most cons cannot answer a question, you have no ideas of your own. again do you even know how a 1120 works? or how the corporate tax structure works?
Defolts,
You have to realise that rich people like Tommy and the Tennessean got rich on the backs of people and they like it that way. When it comes down that they should give back some of that prosperity,they cower,scream and defend whatever cheap tactic to counter policies that will make people above the standard. They keep dreaming up this belief that private enterprise is doing a great job and paying most taxes when in actual fact they are using all kinds of loopholes so they don’t have to pay taxes.
Why are we in a mess today? Because private enterprise did not do their job well and we the people need a representative to step in and tell them that it is over. It is now our turn to get back what we gave to the democratic system. the Time is now.
“They keep dreaming up this belief that private enterprise is doing a great job and paying most taxes when in actual fact they are using all kinds of loopholes so they don’t have to pay taxes.”
Private enterprise pays all the taxes. All the government’s revenue comes from taxing private enterprise. Call me naive, but I thought everyone knew that.
This link is a fascinating read, relevant to your viewpoints Jovial, and prophetic to today’s political discussions.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
I found section 18 really interesting.
you are either naive or dishonest. when you say private enterprise do you mean wage earners that make money in the private sector or actual businesses? because if you are talking about actual busineses no they dont, you can get all worked up on talk radio but at the end of the day the individual taxpayer actually pays most of the taxes in this country, if you go back 40 or 50 years it was not that way, in the past it was businesses and excise taxes, the estate tax does not kick until 3.5 million and it is lower than other countries including Japan as our capital gains tax, also the carry forward/back loss provisions are far more generous than other countries.
defolts, wrong, wrong, wrong!!! The figures below are from 2004. It is my understanding the number of “tax neutral” citizens in the US has increased to 50% this year.
Regardless of how you may feel about it, the less fortunate pay the least taxes and receive the most benefit. And as Tommy says and as THOROUGH research supports, Small Businesses and Business Persons pay the bulk of those taxes AND create the Greatest Majority of New Jobs.
According to the SBA Office of Advocacy:
SMALL FIRMS:
• Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
• Employ about half of all private sector employees.
• Pay nearly 45 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
• Have generated 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually over the last decade.
• Create more than half of nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).
• Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists,
engineers, and computer workers).
• Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
• Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced
28.9 percent of the known export value in FY 2006.
• Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large
And from here:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/250.html
“The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $410,096) earned approximately 22.8 percent of the nation’s income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 40.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid more in federal individual income taxes than the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.”
“During 2006, Tax Foundation economists estimate that roughly 43.4 million tax returns, representing 91 million individuals, will face a zero or negative tax liability. That’s out of a total of 136 million federal tax returns that will be filed. Adding to this figure the 15 million households and individuals who file no tax return at all, roughly 121 million Americans—or 41 percent of the U.S. population—will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006.1 This total includes those who pay no tax, and those who pay some tax upfront and are later refunded the full amount of the tax paid or more.”
You need to take those little liberal blinders off. We are living “Atlas Shrugged”. Beware of the shrug.
so are they firm or are they individuals?
you think just maybe you could take off the sheets and admit that if they bothered to raise wages in this country there would not be a need for the EIC?
Liberal? now who has the blinders on? I support gun owner ship, I dont the believe the top 35% bracket should be raised or nor do I believe in Abortion on demand.I am also opposed to illegal immigration and inclusive housing, if you don’t make enough money you should not move to a upper income neighborhood, keep your thugs at home. Is that liberal? if you can’t learn the language of the land (English,which big business thinks you don’t have to speak) too bad, not my problem, is that liberal? do I care if gays get married? no! do I think it should be taught to kids as just another lifestyle choice? no! do I think that people like Keith Olberman, Bill Maher and a few others go overboard and stifle legitimate debate when they talk of so-called white privilege or say something is racist because say someone is against illegal immigration? absolutely, is that liberal?
you however think we should invade countries that had nothing to do with9/11, your answer to falling wages is to work harder, you support foreign companies shifting money out of the U.S. FYI corporations represent 86% of all business revenue, do honestly think the cons care about small business?
seeing as how you are allegedly from TN probably not, but more likely you are the paid poster for the GOP/Heritage Foundation/Chamber of commerce.
to use the disingenuous argument about taxes and failing to take into account the EIC which the cons raised instead of wages, shows what a dishonest individual you are or to even mention small firms. I am not arguing the wealthy in this country don’t pay enough in taxes, from what I have seen in most returns most well to do individuals pay between 20 and 30% in federal taxes, what I am arguing is that large corporations( the bulk of business revenue, the ones that fund tort reform and prevent us from cracking down on illegal immigration) pay much less now then they historically have the burden has been shifted to the individual taxpayer.
defolts
First of all, doesn’t Charles Rangel (a dem) run the committee that writes the tax codes?
Second, be careful what you ask for. When individuals are taxed, they have no recourse but to suck it up and pay the bill. They have to budget for the taxes they owe. But when corporations are taxed, they treat it as a bottom line expense and pass the cost on to their customers. Since you’re likely one of their customers, you are actually the one paying the tax. If the corporate taxes are increased, you will end up paying more for the products that you buy.
Increasing taxes on corporations will actually take more money from your pocket, not from theirs.
defolts and jovial, for a couple of people that have no idea who or what they are talking about, you sure say a lot.
You should just stick to calling people names. It seems to be your strongest suite. I’m with the KKK, dishonest and lying about being from Tennessee and Tommy’s a traitor. Way to debate a point.
btw….what is the Death Tax going to be in 2011 when Obama and the Dem’s allow Bush cuts to expire?
talk about having no idea of what they are talking about, some fake GOP poster comes on here and cannot answer a question, the tax code was not written after 2007, again I say look at a 1120 form and see how it actually works, instead of regurgitating GOP talking points, neither of you two really know how the tax system works or when you actually pay corporate taxes, it is not like the individual taxpayer 1040 form, if they were temporary “tax cuts” and I use that term loosely, because all they did was run up debt, why wouldn’t they expire? or was the real intention to force the dems into a position where it looks like they want to raise taxes? he had six years of total control why were these rules not fixed before 2007? you probably lack the intelligence to realize you are with the KKK, probably think that all you are doing is dressing up as a scary ghost and just burning crosses and the whole confederate flag thing, why its just your heritage.
taxes for a corporation are not a budget item, it not well I have to save all this money because I have taxes to pay, if you don’t make money your are not paying taxes, if a individual say a couple makes $137,580 a year which is not hard to do with 2 incomes, and they have all kinds of bills they still owe uncle same even with deductions they most likely will owe something, but a company can make a hundred or a thousand times more and not owe anything, most of their expenses are above the line, again I will say for the clueless the corporate share of taxes has gone down from about half in the 1950s to maybe a 3rd and these rules were not written by Charles “Reagan” Rangel or Barney “Bush” Frank these rules were written over decades it is like the same tort reform scam they keep on pulling they pass more laws that make it harder to sue and lawsuit awards go down and down and still they keep on singing the same tune, the same with corporate taxes, amounts have gone down, the deductions have become more generous, and still they cry about being over taxed, they move headquarters overseas to dodge paying taxes all together, a very traitorous action and no one does a thing. these same people piss and moan about how government cannot run anything and out of the same mouth they claim a government option will put health insurance companies out of business, the same companies that have all kinds of ways to deny coverage due to preexisting conditions, and none of the CON Jobs have an answer to what a person is supposed to do when they are denied coverage.
defolts, your crass ignorance and stupidity defy rebuttal.
Good luck.
punk
@defolts: Tenneassean calls people stupid every single day here. I don’t think a day has gone by where “stupid” hasn’t been typed out by her. Obviously, you are far from stupid. Calling you that, would be, Stupid.
@Tennessean: See, I can type that word too. 4 times in the above sentences. It’s hurtful & I keep telling you that. It also makes you look as if you’re pissed off because you lost what you were trying to debate.
Anomaly100, I tried to point out how the tax system works and these con poster parrot the same empty talking points over and over, the problem is not that the rich don’t pay enough in taxes, I think they generally do, its that the share of corporate and excise taxes has gone down, in the 1950s corporate taxes were around half of federal tax revenue, now they are less than 15%, they run this song and dance about how small business creates over half the jobs but conveniently leave out how corporate revenue accounts for 86% of all business revenue, you could propose a system to where small businesses would pay 15 or 20% tax on income but get rid of all the breaks that big business has but I guarantee you that the cons would come up with dozens of reason why we could not do this, and a lot of the reasons would contradict previous arguments. the truth is they are anarchists, they got their way on tort reform and still it is not enough, they got business taxes lowered and still it is not enough, they got the capital gains tax down to 15%, (it was much higher under Reagan) and still it is not enough, it seems to me it is all a game to them, they care about gays getting married (gee I wonder why) birth certificates, and yet their candidate was actually born overseas, and VP choice was involved in separatist issues. when the stock market was down in March it was because of Obama then when it went up it was in-spite of Obama, either its one or the other not both.
@Anomaly100 Tennessean is an ‘it’, not a ‘her’.
@defolts; The Republicans have more talking points than common sense. I admit to not knowing anything about taxes, but I don’t try to argue it with talking points. I admit to not knowing. It’s infuriating when someone tries to feign intellgence but only parrots the talking points of their pundits.
You forgot to mention the MUSTARD!! President Obama likes…MUSTARD! That bastard! And then there was the power fist with his wife. They claimed it was a secret militant or terrorist plot to take over the world! And yes, the birthers. What can you say about thousands of little Lou Dobbs running around rambling nonsenical rants? You can show them mountains of proof yet they’ll ignore it every time. Ayers! Remember the “palin’ around with terrorists!” Ok, Palin actually sleeps with a wannabe secessionist. What would little Sarah have said about Obama if the shoe had been on the other foot? She’d put her words into what she calls, “speeches” but can only be identified as verbal farts. She’s calls a press conference to say she’s been hurt by the media. She is a human oxymoron, and I emphasize “moron.” One day, perhaps the Republicans will take a good hard look at the remnants of their party, take Cheney’s vocal cords out, let Sarah & Todd secede to a little deserted island & send them the birthers. Hey, I can dream can’t I?!
@Anteater: I bow to your wisdom. You are correct! It’s an it. :-)
I admit to tacking most of the courses, for a B.S. in accounting at a Cal State Campus, I think I know a little about how the tax code works, but hey if I listened to talk radio and tuned out everything else, I wonder what it would have done to my grades?
@defolt: If you were majoring in batshitcrazy 101, you would do very well, otherwise, not a chance.
I thought that with the rise of conservatism that their would be a big demand for gay studies but no one offers it.I think it is a minor at SFSU.
So, are you implying that corporations do not pass on the expense of taxes to consumers?
If you want a serious exchange, perhaps you should lay off the ignorance.
And here’s a little more on the “song and dance” about small businesses:
http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/sbfaq.pdf
a serious exchange? do you really want that,you have yet answer any real questions. you go over and over about and yet large corporations are the bulk of all business revenue, how much money do you think a company like Wal Mart grosses in one year? now how many small companies do you think it takes to equal that amount of revenue, I could on XOM MSFT GE, do you realize how many small businesses it takes to equal that amount of revenue? I have said and will say repeatedly for which I will be ignored, I don’t think the problem lies with wealthy individuals not paying enough in taxes it is that large corporations have been paying less and less, this happened over time and yes the cons have repeatedly states that government needs to get off the backs of business, and what have we gotten in return, a huge national debt, it was under a trillion in 1981, more illegals, Reagan did an amnesty program and said that would be it and now we are worse off, 30 years ago you could get by with only one parent working and now both must work just so some executive can have more. how does that benefit us? we have been doing tort reform for decades now and lawsuit awards are down and it is harder to file and yet they keep telling us we need tort reform. the Japanese protect their industries and yet we are not allowed to protect ours, how does this benefit us?
defolts – I run a small business. There are many deductions my company can, and does take. (The social engineering aspect of those deductions is another debate.) What I do have to pay in federal, state and local taxes, are considered expenses. If I didn’t account for them as expenses when figuring what I have to charge my customers, I would go broke. It’s been that way since 1981 when I first started my company.
Believe me, every company, of every size, operates the same way. It’s the reason corporate taxes are not a big issues of debate in the whole scheme of things. Your representatives are smart enough to know that those expenses are just passed on to their constituients as higher prices.
Now, the bigger question I have for you is, why do you support people paying more in taxes? Wouldn’t it make more sense to reduce the size of government’s footprint on our economy?
The only answer I can seem to come up with is, that progressives feel people, in general, are reluctant to help others who are less fortunate. Therefore they feel they must take the money from the “greedy” and give it to the “needy”.
Am I close?
not at all. you missed the point entirely, did I say I was in favor of raising the top tax rate? no! I said and apparently I am talking to the wall, because you and tenn keep bringing up GOP talking points, when you inserted social engineering into you comments about your tax form, where is and what is the specific internal revenue code. you want to reduce the governments foot print, how, the military budget? we have 10,000 nukes how much of a military do we really need? and why are we defending countries like Japan and South Korea? how does that benefit us. who really knows if you actually run a company, you don’t seem very aware of how businesses are taxed.
So, you’re for reducing the size of government and therefore the amount of money it takes out of the economy. Me too. Cool.
defolts, Why do you have to sprinkle your comments with childish insults while impugning one’s word? It does nothing for your credibility when you question what one says with no basis.
For the difference in corporate taxes and small businesses, what about proportionality? With the average income of a small business being around $233,000 and an average tax rate of approximately 17.1%, I would be curious to know how that shakes out proportionately. (Can’t readily find figures on average corporate incomes or tax rates.)
Tenngoposter, you would never insult would you? you come from a state that does not have one of the higher standards of living and think that’s it should be, assume that someone who does not believe what is on talk radio, fox news or the heritage foundation must be liberal, you cite this SBA website, and some how expect everyone to conclude well look what they are doing for the country, why are we taxing them, I will repeat, which you probably cannot respond to, I never said individual rates are too high, nor do I advocate raising them, I said that the corporate share of U.S. Income taxes has gone down, (along with excise taxes) and for what? what have we really gained by it? do you realize Wal-Mart alone represents about 2% or so of GDP? do you know how many small businesses it would take to equal one Wal-Mart? let alone XOM or GE, Chevron, Conoco, AT&T, BofA, Valero… they are the bulk of the U.S. economy, they account for around 86% of all business revenues and lot of them pay very little in taxes, it has been a long term trend, they have very generous carry forward/back loss provisions, many dodge U.S. income taxes all together. they pay less than a 3rd of what they paid in the 1950s When Eisenhower was president. they are the ones that set it up to have 10s of millions of illegals, er undocumented workers. the Earned Income Credit is used instead of raising wages, sure we could have a higher minimum wage like say the Japanese who also have national health care but instead we pass the lower wage costs off on the public.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/26/tax_subsidies/ non of you cons can explain why other countries like Japan protect their industries but we cannot, Bob Corker talked of competing but left out the fact that Japanese executives are paid less and they have national health care, they protect their industries, oh and their FICA taxes are also higher along with their capital gains taxes and estate taxes, and their carry forward/back loss provisions go back 1 year and forward 7 not the 2 and 20 we have, yeah that’s right a corp could theoretically avoid paying taxes for 20 years, cant think of any other developed major country that does this.
defolts – Here’s a good link for you, courtesy of Mario.
http://mariopiperni.com/stuff/knowing-when-to-shut-up.php
just as I thought CONs cannot answer simple questions, never seen such an evasive group in my life.
defolts, I can’t speak for anyone else you label. I find your posts too offensive and too immature to give serious consideration. You don’t respond to anything except to call people names. And now you want to make ignorant statements about an entire State.
Just wondering why your prejudices and bigotry are better than mine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4SODPwRUZQ
tenngoposter, is this mature?(btw numb nuts. The book’s not out yet so how could I or much of anyone else have any opinion of her book writing skills or whose “league” she may or may not be in?) or this?
Anomaly, before you go off making a fool of yourself, perhaps YOU should read it again. And when you do, I’ll give you a chance to stop right here and not further embarrass yourself.
I said, “Stupidity such as this plays well..” That is hardly calling any person anything.
Seriously now. Go to bed. Get a good nights sleep. You’re making me feel bad for you. You are not making “our” gender ;-) look very good. ;-) nothing is ever your fault is it? you say we should not try to make the world better for people but you were right there in 2003 when we made it worse for people and you all kept changing your story. personally I find people like you offensive, you live in the most violent region of the country and yet you are the toughest on crime, you give foreign companies tax breaks because you hate unions, I can’t think of anyone that would rather live in Memphis over San Diego. you cry babies got your way on taxes, tort reform, labor, and yet it still it not enough,
you traitors whine about ACORN but think it is hilarious when some company, like Lockheed, KBR Dyn Corp… rips off the gov, you are supposedly pro life but then you have nothing else to offer, there are lots of countries in Africa that don’t do anything for their citizens and have very limited if any gov, you could live their.
defolts, I agree. Copying and pasting my conversation with another individual is very immature. I hope you will endeavor to do better in the future.
In the meantime…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_eCIjr1Mb0
(1:57)
I agree you basically are full of it, you went to the O’Reilly school, I can attack now you keep it professional, the world does not revolve around you, and if you accuse someone of name calling then you have to be called out on it. how exactly is that immature? you must sit at home at worship Sarah Palin, you seem to act the same, let me insult, now don’t respond.
nothing you people say makes sense, go back to the early 90s, Clinton should have attacked after the 1st trade center attack but Reagan and lockerbie that was nothing to worry about.
@Tennessean: Your use of the word, “stupid”:
“defolts, your crass ignorance and stupidity defy rebuttal.”
Clearly, Defolts is far from stupid. (There’s more to come)
anomaly, just for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentive
“The term anal-retentive…is used conversationally to describe a person with such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person.”
(Kinda weak though. Only one example so far, and considering that according to you, I use it repeatedly every day.)
You should consider letting it go and not further embarrassing and humiliating yourself.
@Tennessean: How sad for you:
“mario says, “If we extrapolate Bardwell’s concern “for the children” then he should not marry stupid people..”
Don’t stop there. Let’s refuse to marry Liberal’s also!! Of course, I guess those two groups could be interchangeable”
I could do this all night but I’m bored now. I honestly didn’t want to add the one you wrote to Defolts. I felt bad typing it. It’s a shame that in your thesaurus, you can’t find other words besides, “stupid” to express yourself. On some of the threads you used them more than once, but I think you’ve got the picture. By the way, I am NOT embarrassed. I have no reason to be. You are the one that said you didn’t call people “stupid.” I’ve given you 6 or 7 examples, maybe more. And this does count ;-) :
“Stupidity such as this plays well.”
Would you like to look up some more for you?
Anomaly, tell you what. The only thing you’ve done is screw up the blog commentary with some obsessive, compulsive behavior manifestation. You’ve proven you are quite the anal retentive whack job.
This is not the place. You want to have a personal exchange with me then you can note this to Mario. He has my permission to give you my email. Then, you can carry on with your childishness in that manner and you won’t “Clog the blog” with this type of commentary.
Really. It would be a respite for me to engage in some immature exchanges for awhile. Kinda like taking a break to read a comic book in the middle of reading War and Peace.
In the meantime, I think it would serve everyone well were you to stick to the type of commentary this blog invites.
Just my thoughts.
@Tennessean: I clogged the blog? It was the amount of times *you* called others “stupid” that clogged it & I didn’t even get started. You asked me to, I did. You said this isn’t the place, but you kept it up, said I lied, asked me to not “embarrass” myself because you said it wasn’t true. Obviously, it is true AND I am not embarrassed. :cool:
Do not pretend you now care about the same people you call “stupid” on here. Now, you want to manage Mario’s blog, by telling me to stick to the subject. I am. You aren’t. You’ve tried to change the subject after asking me repeatedly to prove this. It’s done. Now, about the name “Larry”. Do you know this person? Just curious because I have a hunch you know him very well. ;-)
Anomaly, you are incredibly stupid. Please keep it up as you see fit. The unfortunate thing about YOUR particular brand of stupidity is you don’t even realize it. And the only thing you have proven is….well…..see above.
I’m not trying to manage anything. I respect Mario and his effort even though I disagree with virtually his every thought….politically.
I’m simply trying to point out to you that which you appear too ignorant to understand.
Everything further you write simply proves what I have said. Good Night.
@Tennessean: It was ONLY a question. I went through a few comments (as you commanded) and I noted a distinct similarity. I only thought Larry might be a relative ;-) . Sooo, EXCUSSSSSEE MEEE!
:lol: