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  • Joe Arpaio – Vile and Rotten

    Joe Arpaio - Vile and Rotten

    Why is this guy still in business? Sheriff Joe Arpaio's volunteer investigation into documents pertaining to President Barack Obama's place of birth and citizenship now includes the services of a taxpayer-funded ...

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  • Romney The Liar

    Romney The Liar

    The lies roll off the man's lips like music off Yo-Yo Ma's cello. Both are virtuosos - one a cellist, the other a liar. A partial list. Bush had nothing to do ...

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  • Late Night Political Humor

    Late Night Political Humor

    Happy Friday. The best from Political Humor‘s collection of the week’s late night political humor. "Barack Obama supports same-sex marriage. Mitt Romney doesn't even support same-sex car pools." –David Letterman "The head of ...

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  • Another Unexceptional Republican Claims Obama Is Not An American

    Another Unexceptional Republican Claims Obama Is Not An American

    Republican Rep. Mike Coffman at a Saturday afternoon fundraiser in Colorado. I don't know whether Barack Obama was born in the United States of America. I don't know that. But I ...

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  • Idiot Quote of the Day: The “Gayer” Obama

    Idiot Quote of the Day: The Gayer Obama

    Rand Paul: Call me cynical, but I didn’t think his [Obama's] views on marriage could get any gayer. We won't call Rand cynical. Ignorant, bigoted asshole is more fitting. An adult using ...

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  • Late Night Political Humor

    Late Night Political Humor

    Happy Friday. The best from Political Humor‘s collection of the week’s late night political humor. "President Obama came out with approval of same-sex marriage. He said that over the years, he has ...

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  • What The Hell Is The Problem With Gay Republicans?

    What The Hell Is The Problem With Gay Republicans?

    I've never understood Log Cabin Republicans - gay conservatives who give their support to a homophobic political party that derides their sexuality and refuses to grant them equal rights under ...

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  • Obama – Same-Sex Marriage and Doing The Right Thing

    Obama - Same-Sex Marriage and Doing The Right Thing

    Finally. “I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own ...

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  • Another Day, Another Vote – Indiana, NC and Wisconsin

    Another Day, Another Vote - Indiana, NC and Wisconsin

    Election roundup: Indiana. As polls forecast, the Tea Party's efforts to cleanse the GOP of any impure conservatives has Dick Lugar out and teabagger Richard Mourdock in. Mourdock is the new Republican ...

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  • ‘Romney – The Man Who Saved The Auto Industry’ and Other Fairy Tales

    'Romney - The Man Who Saved The Auto Industry' and Other Fairy Tales

    There are lies...and then there are lies. My own view, by the way, was that the auto companies needed to go through bankruptcy before government help. And frankly, that’s finally what ...

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  • A Madman and Fox News

    A Madman and Fox News

    From the papers captured last year at Osama bin Laden's Pakistani hideout comes this. Like any public figures, bin Laden and his advisers were mindful of the media. Adam Gadahn, one ...

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  • Late Night Political Humor

    Late Night Political Humor

    The best from Political Humor‘s collection of the week’s late night political humor. Happy Friday. "Today Mitt Romney visited a firehouse here in New York City. Of course, he was disappointed ...

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  • New GOP Logo

    New GOP Logo

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  • Can Obama Be Swift-Boated?

    Can Obama Be Swift-Boated?

    It happened to Kerry. Can it happen to Obama? Nope says Margaret Carlson. Obama’s belief system -- in that hopey-changey business and the post-partisanship thing -- has been altered by reality. ...

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  • Quote of the Day: The Gay Republican

    Quote of the Day: The Gay Republican

    Sullivan: What do Republicans call a gay man with neoconservative passion, a committed relationship and personal courage? A faggot. Exactly right, but then could one expect anything different from a political party that ...

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  • Christian Pastor: Fixing Gay Is Like Squashing a Cockroach

    Christian Pastor: Fixing Gay Is Like Squashing a Cockroach

    And they claim that atheists are immoral? The ugly side of religion shows its face once again. The words below were spoken at a Sunday sermon by Sean Harris, a pastor ...

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  • GM Alive, bin Laden Dead

    GM Alive, bin Laden Dead

    It's been fun watching conservatives and Romney twist themselves into pretzels trying to undo Mitt's past words on GM and bin Laden. Romney, April 2007: It’s not worth moving heaven and earth ...

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  • Republicans Are The Problem

    Republicans Are The Problem

      In an op-ed piece in the Washington Post, a couple of scholars from liberal and conservative think tanks, discuss the state of American politics. We have been studying Washington politics and ...

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  • Marco Rubio – Just Another Weasel

    Marco Rubio - Just Another Weasel

    Romney's VP-in-waiting, Marco Rubio, is perfecting the conservative sleaze play. He has proposed his version of the Dream Act in which people who entered the country illegally as children will be ...

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  • Obama’s Move Forward

    Obama's Move Forward

    Beyond the rhetoric, the political BS, the lies - that is, the concerted effort by the right-wing noise machine to distort and misinform at every opportunity - is the very ...

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The Benefits Of Having Taken bin Laden Alive

I thought I had pretty much made up my mind on bin Laden being taken out in the way which he was.  An evildoer and the poster boy for terrorism had been killed by American SEALs in a clean and efficient operation in which none of the good guys were harmed. How perfect is that?

I think there is little doubt that the order was given to take out bin Laden on the spot as opposed to capturing him alive. There is no compelling evidence that the powers that be wanted a prolonged trial, one which would have given the al Qaeda leader a platform from which to spout his twisted and demonic justification for the killing of thousands of innocent people. I agreed with that decision to take him out and be done with it. Best to get rid of the vermin on the spot, I thought, than give them a second longer of precious life they did not deserve.

And then I received an email from a regular contributor to these pages, Tommy, who directed me to a post by Michael Moore over at HuffPo – Some Final Thoughts on the Death of Osama bin Laden – and it got me to rethink my position. I was aware of Moore’s position that bin Laden was executed. He pleaded for the President to come clean and admit as much. I simply dismissed Moore’s take as a well-intentioned example of liberal extremism – sweet but not practical in a real world setting. And then I read this from Moore:

In a perfect world [...], I would like the evildoers to be forced to stand trial in front of that world. I know a lot of people see no need for a trial for these bad guys (just hang ‘em from the nearest tree!), and think trials are for sissies. “They’re guilty, off with their heads!” Well, you see, that is the exact description of the Taliban/al Qaeda/Nazi justice system. I don’t like their system. I like ours. And I don’t want to be like them. In fact, the reason I like a good trial is that I like to show these bastards this is how it’s done in a free country that believes in civilized justice. It’s good for the rest of the world to see that, too. Sets a good example.

The other thing a trial does is, it establishes a very public and permanent historic record of the crimes against humanity. This is why we put the Nazis on trial in Nuremberg. We didn’t do it for them. We did it for ourselves and for our grandchildren so that they would never forget these horrors and how they were committed. And we did it for the German people so they could see the evidence of what their elected leaders had done. Very helpful. Very necessary. Very powerful.

And for those who wanted blood back then – well, the majority of the Nazis all hanged in the end. So, it doesn’t mean the bad guys get away – they still swing from the highest tree.

Can anyone see the flaw in Moore’s logic?  I can’t. Yes there is great satisfaction in knowing that justice was served and bin Laden is dead. And it was done, as Bill Maher described it, in Moe Greene fashion – a bullet in the eye. But how does one intelligently counter Moore’s argument about civilized justice and a public and permanent record that a trial would have given? I’d like to hear one.

Revenge is a dangerous game. It suspends reason for the instant gratification it affords us. I recall watching the Charles Bronson Death Wish vigilante movies and feeling somewhat good at watching the bad guys being taken out in the fashion that they were. A thorough beating and assassination, sans trial, of the murderous scum took away any possibility that they’d find a legal loophole they could use to prevent justice being served. Again, instant gratification, vigilante style, took away years of waiting and trials and lawyers doing their thing.  A bullet to the head, instant closure and everyone could move on with their lives. Wonderful…except that in the end what did it all say about ourselves that we would adopt the tactics of the very people we were out to avenge?

I get it and I’m not about to condemn President Obama and the people who made that difficult decision to execute the terrorist leader. Osama bin Laden is dead and anyway you choose to view it, that’s a positive. Moore’s point is that within the bigger framework of justice and the American way, there is a strong argument to be made that the same ending would have been achieved by taking him alive and subjecting him to an open trial for the entire world to see. Yes it would have dragged on for years and bin Laden would have had ample opportunity to defend his actions. But, so what? There is a price to pay for not rendering justice (yes, in the twisted minds of terrorists, killing innocent people is their version of justice) in the way that the Taliban, Nazis and al Qaeda do. As Moore puts it:

Assuming it was possible to take him alive, I think his victims, the future, and the restoration of the American Way deserved better. That’s all I’m saying.

Good riddance Osama.

Come back to your ways, my good ol’ USA.

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Making A Mockery Of Border Security In 18 Seconds

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The U.S/Mexico border fence occupies 700 of the 2000 mile border.  It was built at a cost of $4 million per mile which works out to a total cost of about $3 billion. Maintenance will cost billions more.  Back in September, Bloomberg wrote:

If idiocy were a capital crime, at least 73 percent of Congress would be facing the hangman.

That’s the percentage of legislators who supported the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which created one of the most stunning boondoggles in U.S. history…

Was it worth the cost?  Check out the video below and decide for yourself.




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Law And Disorder

Make what you will of this.

What?  And there’s no room for these two felons?

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(h/t: Foolocracy)

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Right-wing Blogger Convicted of Making Death Threats

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Nice to see scum like this getting what they deserve.

Hal Turner, an online radio “shock jock” and blogger, was convicted on Friday of threatening to kill three federal judges in Chicago, Illinois, in retaliation for a ruling they made that upheld handgun bans, government officials said.

Turner was arrested and charged in June 2009 for posting incendiary comments that said the judges involved in the case deserved to be killed. The three judges he threatened, who had upheld a ban on handguns in Chicago and the Oak Park suburb, testified at the trial.

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The post included photographs of the judges, their phone numbers, addresses and a map of the building where they work.

Turner has been known to post the names and home addresses of judges he believes are on the wrong side of conservative issues, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups.

Get a load of his defense.

Turner had sought to portray himself as a “shock jock” and fierce gun control opponent whose tirades were protected by the constitutional right to free speech.

“He thought it was political trash talk,” defense attorney Peter Kirchheimer said in opening statements. “It was the same thing he’d done many times before, only this time he was arrested.”

Testifying in his own defense, Turner said he was a paid FBI informant who was trying to “flush out” dangerous neo-Nazi and white supremacist members of his audience on behalf of the government.

I’m just waiting for some wingnut to cry out that the judge should have recused himself from the case.  They’ll claim his judgment was compromised in presiding over a case involving other judges.

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Republican Morons and Islamophobia

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From Glenn Church over at Foolocracy comes this bit of nuttiness.

This November, Oklahoma voter will have a chance to decide on one of the pressing matters of the time – should Oklahoma ban sharia law?

Of all places in the United States, Oklahoma is one of the last that someone would expect sharia law. That is why the sponsor of the bill, Rex Duncan said, “I would describe this as a pre-emptive strike. We don’t want to let it get a toe-hold.”

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…people like Duncan are playing to the lowest fears of people who think that radical Muslims and international socialists are going to take over the American judicial system.

Race-baiting, fear-mongering Republicans are getting more insane and desperate by the day.  These people have really lost it.

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