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Something they’ve been discussing in the Comments section is a post at Little Green Footballs on why one person made the decision to leave the right. Here is the post.
Why I Parted Ways With The Right
1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)
2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)
3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)
4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)
5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)
6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)
7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)
8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)
9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)
10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)
And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.
I won’t be going over the cliff with them.
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Very well done! Perhaps the right will take it more seriously coming from one of their own. Or perhaps they will just think that this individual has been indoctrinated by the left
Is the extreme right swelling and pushing moderates out of the GOP or is the GOP shrinking due to its exclusionary ideology?
I think the party is shrinking but in doing that, since they no longer have disagreement near them, they can become more vocal and since all they hear near them within their party is agreement, they feel emboldened in their attitudes. That is how small cliques become dangerous gangs. It is a great example of group think and mob mentality. I saw it first hand at the Rep. Dan Lipinski Town Hall where I watched Midge Hough, a member of our MoveOn Chicago Central Council, try to tell the story of her daughter-in-law Jenny and her unborn grandchild dying needlessly because of a lack of health care. I was at the CBHC event and was right next to her when she told Gov. Pat Quinn that right wingers are now sending her credibly made death threats and I watched as they heckled her, laughed at her and tried to say that she made the whole thing up. For those who would like to see Jenny, please go to YouTube and type in Midge Hough and you will be taken to a page where there is a Memorial Video which shows Jenny and her husband who both decided to renew their vows right there in the hospital so they could both show their love even though Jenny was dying. The right wingers who are making Midge and Dan Hough suffer so much are out of their minds to be doing this! I am glad that one man has had the courage to come to his senses and I can only pray that more do so as well!
I’m appalled that this happens in America !
Melody, I’ve got to ask what is the history behind this story. You say she died because of a “lack of health care” yet the videos show her in a hospital receiving care. Also, one of the sites I looked at said she was in intensive care at a hospital. Another said she went to the hospital and was diagnosed (or maybe MIS diagnosed) with a cold but was later admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. (I believe)
It is a sad and regrettable incident of course. But could you please explain the “lack of health care” remark when at least according to this video, she seems to be receiving extraordinary care.
I would be happy to explain it to you, Tenn. Jenny was taken to a for profit hospital the first time and was asked about her insurance status first thing. Her husband was honest and said they had no insurance. The feeling in the room seemed to change at that point and the attending physician then said he thought it was just a cold or a little bronchitis. She was sent home with the instruction to get rest and fluids. Within 24 hours, she was much worse and was rushed to a non-profit hospital this time but her husband was so scared that they might be dismissive of his wife again that he told them that they did have insurance and just couldn’t find their card at the moment. She was seen and they finally realized that she had double pneumonia, septicemia and respiratory failure. They were told that if the other hospital had bothered to do a complete examination of her before, she would not have gotten this bad. Septicemia works quickly in the bloodstream and can kill quickly. It is like septic shock. Strong antibiotic therapy must be given rapidly. Apparently, when the for profit hospital was told there was no insurance, they decided against doing the in-depth procedures that would have saved her life but were more costly than they wanted to do for someone with no insurance, so they sent her home with little to no help and a dismissive attitude on their part. Jenny lost her unborn child in the second week of her hospitalization. They performed a Cesarean to take the child out and that operation then created the side effects of blood clots, multiple strokes and seizures which then resulted in her becoming comatose and put on life support. She lived for 55 days and her total hospital bill came to over $1.5 million dollars. She leaves behind a little 2 year old girl and a devastated husband who is now in psychiatric care. The teabaggers death threats and heckling has taken a huge toll on him and on Midge and Dan Hough. It is disgraceful that a for profit hospital could be so dismissive of a pregnant woman who is ill but who had no insurance to pay for the tests and procedures that were so desperately needed. They essentially sent her home to die! They just didn’t want to spend the money necessary for proper care of her and her unborn child since there was no insurance. Shame on them and shame on all of us if we let this kind of thing happen in America. That is not the America I want to live in. And shame on the teabaggers here in America that feel it is right to send death threats to a family in deep grief and mourning and yet who are trying to make sure that Jenny’s death is not for nothing. They want her story to help us all realize that insurance coverage can mean life and death and that a public option would have saved Jenny’s life because then no doctor would have made decisions based on cost. The life of Jenny and her unborn child is far too great a cost already. I hope this answers your question, Tenn.
Melody, why even bother people like TN and other conservatives do not care, they get a sick kick out of stories like this, think back to Rush Limbaugh mocking Michael J. Fox. the conservative Republicans wearing purple band aids to mock John Kerry’s Vietnam war service, they much prefer to others serve and when those that served don’t support what they do the attack them.
I have come to know Tenn. just a bit and feel that his question was honestly asked and so I answered it just as openly and honestly. I think he will understand. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt. We will see what he does with that.
I have seen tn on these posts and he will call names then call you immature for calling names, he reminds me of Bill O’Reilly, I can attack now you keep it professional. really this person has a harsh personality. he will tell you that welfare abuse is rampant but cannot tell what exactly he means by rampant. anytime you have a large organization you will have abuse and for him to tell me that some county prevented fraud and lists a dollar amount as an example of how rampant is really dishonest. it is like saying because Wal-Mart has security they prevented xmillion dollars of loses. tell me what they actually lost and what the proportion is vs budget not what they could of lost. He always takes the conservative stand, its what drives him, he will tell you that Obama is inexperienced but I bet he voted for Bush in 2000 and would supported Bob Corker with his limited experience if the republicans offered him up.
As I said, we will see what he has to say.
I think you bring the point home well Melody, and with dignity. Perhaps shaming the for-profit hospital is a bit aggresive; are the motives truly known? As a nurse, my wife has tried explaining to many that medicine is called a “practise” for a reason. Finding the causes are always easier when a disease has progressed to a later stage. That said, I think I would point out that, whatever the sum total of terrible hospital stories we could tell, that the big picture numbers paint a more compelling story. In the corporation that is our country, 16% of our budget is spent on health care. Our competitors on the world stage spend half of that, and get higher life expectancies, lower rates of infant mortality, and lower crude death rates. Our competitors also spend (as a loose example TN) between one third and one half of our percentages on administrative costs. The management and shareholders of any business looking at those numbers would be moved to act; and so should we.
I do wish, Michael, that we had Universal Health Care for all our citizens like other countries do. We will never be able to have our business community compete globally if we don’t. So much of business cost right now is on health care for employees and management. I recognize the challenges concerning cost. I just didn’t like hearing that a doctor made a choice not to reach out fully to a pregnant woman and her unborn child based on her insurance status. Midge said it was an obvious change in his demeanor once he heard that they had no insurance. It is so hard and so sad and I see the family suffering every day since her and the unborn child’s deaths. It has only been 10 weeks and they are taking it hard but are showing so much courage. I admire them tremendously for all they are trying to do to bring some dignity and hope from her death. I hope our country can pull together and find a solution that will make this situation never occur again.
So true Melody. The idea that health care is a) a public utility, or b) a critical piece of commercial infrastructure seems lost on many. My wife struggled as a facility administrator (in ambulatory surgery centers) to jump the hoops in accounts receivables; code the cases properly (tens of thousands of CPT codes), make sure the typeset is perfectly square on the box (old Medicare delay tactic), stay on the insurance companies, stay on the patients….It is funny how much U.S. doctors have complained about other country’s single payer systems. British gps, who don’t have to worry about payables, or insurance copays, or authorizations, or whether the drug is formulary, or…or…or can top out this year at over $350,ooo U.S. Sounds like a commy plot to me.
LOL! It’s some kind of plot! But seriously, I agree that such processes as your wife fights are ridiculous! Let’s let doctors get to patient treatment and doing what is in their patient’s best health!
melody, misdiagnoses happen every day in all kinds of settings. Beyond that, it sounds to me like Health Care at least contributed to Jenny’s death, if not just outright killed her.
Either way, to say that she died because of a lack of health care is patently false.
defolts, for all intent and purposes you are simply dishonest. At worse, a liar.
And I’m still waiting for something from you other than “because I said so” to suggest welfare is not rampantly abused in the US and PARTICULARLY in California.
Michael, as usual , a reasoned response.
I said define rampant. you cant do it. I asked you how many people actually commit fraud, not the ones that have been prevented because again it like saying because Wal-Mart has loss prevention control, how many people were prevented from stealing as opposed to how many actually took something,again you cannot do it. all you do is use vague words, Rampant, what exactly is rampant, you are the type of person that screams about ACORN but is quite when a private business rips off the government. really with you its who you think is getting welfare, you are the type that will lie and say the confederate flag is part of your heritage, dishonest, that is usually the province of conservatives.
the same people cried about Obamas lack of experience praise Sarah Palin.
and now the Fox News crowd is apologizing for Mike Huckabee, gee I wonder how they would react if it was Phil Bredesen?
defolts, I’m the type of person that furnished you with websites, numbers and sources to support my comments.
You are the type of person that responded with by sticking your tongue out at me.
I simply asked what do you define as rampant, you could not answer, you simply provided me with a DA puff piece that talked what they prevented not what they actually lost to fraud, I will state this again in any large organization you will have fraud whether it is the local county welfare office or Home Depot, Staples, Kroger, Target… that’s how that works,it is generally considered to be around 5% according to the AICPA.
the difference with the government is that they have a whole army of DAs and detectives to go after the fraud and yes in this state it is minimal.
for you to cite that article from the DAs office shows me you really do not know how the system works, there are many people that show up thinking they can just try and apply for welfare in one county and not realizing that all 58 of California’s counties are linked, if you got welfare in Fresno country and try to apply in San Diego or Orange they will know.
now your DA being the honest souls that they are(LOL) will put that down as a prevention. that’s how that works, as far as people that actually get welfare here that should not, meaning they got a check from the county, no I don’t see that as being rampant, they already check the system to see if you get unemployment here and most businesses will have you in the state system within weeks so if you should happen to find a job and collect welfare here they will usually find out within the month, I have seen it happen, I have seen people that think they can get over and it usually does not end well.
defolts, you are simply being dishonest. I gave you much more than what you allege INCLUDING personal accounts from individuals I know to be gaming the system and I have neither the time, interest nor inclination to run in circles for you.
If you think there is little or no welfare abuse in this country that’s fine by me.
I’m not the one that is a fake party poster, now who is being dishonest, tell where I said there was no abuse oh lying one?
maybe if you took off the conservative blinders you would get the point, I simply stated the DAs out here do a pretty good job of catching fraud, you simply don’t how that works. maybe if you had some experience in the DAs office or had an accounting background like me you would get that but you don’t, I have seen you other posts where I know you are clueless on how the tax code works. you are clueless about this, you hear some reactionary stories and think that’s how it must be, you who live in the most violent region of the country, but you are sure we need tougher laws and where you live are the toughest but you still have the most violence, how can that be? so I don’t you expect you to get this.
you are simply being dishonest as most of your posts are,
defolts, no. I think the exchanges took place over the course of a couple of different posts. Proving you a liar isn’t worth the time it would take me to go over the previous posts looking for them.
I’ve got to get out of here to watch Beck’s live screening of the Christmas Sweater.