Obama Wins Debate and Women In Binders Is Born

It’s amazing how quickly new memes spring up and take on a life of their own.

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Mitt the twit at the second debate.

We took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds who could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. I went to a number of women groups and said, “Could you help us find folks?” I brought binders full of women.

Lovely. At the time of this writing (2 AM EST), Facebook’s Binder Full of Women already had over 200,000 fans. Thank you, Mitt. And a thank you to Jessica Luther for tweeting the following and Diana McGinness for directing me to it.

As for the rest of the debate, Obama won it hands down. He was calm, in control, articulate and called Romney out on his lies at every opportunity. The highlight had to be Obama taking Romney to task for suggesting that the President and the White House had not taken the murder of four Americans at the Libyan embassy seriously enough.

Sullivan.

Wow. President Obama just eviscerated Romney. As an alpha male. It’s hard to convey genuine offense without seeming aggressive. But Obama made Romney look cheap and political over a tragedy like Benghazi.

Highlight two was Romney claiming that on the day after the Benghazi attack, the president failed to refer to the attack as an “act of terror.” As Candy Crowley pointed out, “act of terror” were the exact words Obama used that day. Romney stood there like a hurt monkey trying to fix the damage. Too late. The liar was once again exposed.

Alex Pareene’s take:

Obama clearly prepared for his Libya response. Romney makes a dumb mistake: Obama says he spoke in the Rose Garden after the attack and called it an act of terror. Romney says “no you didn’t.” Obama says “get the transcript.” Crowley says “he did.” THE AUDIENCE APPLAUDS CROWLEY LIVE FACT-CHECKING ROMNEY. Like, twice. They applaud twice. Romney stutters through the rest of his response, and it doesn’t matter what he says: He just got fucking destroyed. By the audience, basically.

It was a great night.

 

UPDATE

No one should be surprised that Romney’s Women in Binders’ claim that he was so concerned about how few women were up for positions in his Massachusetts’ cabinet that he asked for a study is another fib.

What actually happened was that in 2002—prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration—a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I’ve checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I’ve just presented it is correct—and that Romney’s claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

If a position ever opens up for a Liar-in-Chief, Romney’s your guy.

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Comments

  1. Sydney says:

    Who’s the MAN? Obama’s the man! Romney was the little girly man and looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Fabulous, just fabulous.

  2. Martin Hollowell says:

    “And on the Sixth Day, they collated…”

  3. E.A. Blair says:

    Binder Full Of Women sounds like what an old-style Mormon might call his collection of wives.

    I’m waiting for someone to equate “binders” with ropes, chains and handcuffs.

  4. Karen Weston says:

    One of my favorite tweets of debate night:

    RT @Illiter8 RT @BilgeEbiri Obama: “I passed a law allowing women to get equal pay.” Romney: “I hired women once.”

  5. Karen Weston says:

    If you’ll notice, whenever Mitt is telling of his “plans” for rebuilding the country, he says “I would like to see” but he never really says how he plans to accomplish these visions. The most specific he gets is his “5 point plan” which the fact checkers say doesn’t compute.

    Undecided voters need to research Romney’s record as Governor of Massachusetts and compare his performance claims to the actual facts. That research will reveal that his boasts and claims about his accomplishments as Governor are quite deceiving, just as deceiving as his claims have been about rebuilding the economy should the voters be misled enough to vote him into office.

  6. OC Liberal says:

    Bravo, Mr. President. It wasn’t a home run, but you convinced Americans that the first debate was simply a bad night. Additionally, you learned how to make the CEO look awkward, inappropriate and out of his league. AND you caught him lying.

    When Romney told Obama, “you’ll get your turn,” I wanted Obama to say, “I’m the President, Bitch.”

  7. Marcus says:

    Romney crushed Obama on the economic issues. Too bad Mario forgot to mention that fact.

  8. OC Liberal says:

    I agree, Marcus. It seemed Obama didn’t effectively target the obvious weakness in Romney’s overall economic proposition. Romney has failed to tell voters how his unbelievable math adds up and Obama needs to drive that point home with every conceivable opportunity.

  9. OC Liberal says:

    BTW Marcus, how do you feel Romney differs (specifically) with Bush on economic issues? They seem identical to me.

  10. Sydney says:

    It was republican ideology in action that collapsed not only this economy, but the global economy, whoever believes that a rerun of MORE of that ledgslation, deregulation and tax cuts via a president Romney will improve their personal financial situation is either a millionaire or a fool.

    Marcus, are you a millionaire?

  11. OC Liberal says:

    The sound of crickets can be deafening.

  12. Marcus says:

    It really is time for you people to get over Bush. Horrible president, I agree. He’s no longer president and hasn’t been for 4 years now. The question at the debate from what was a left leaning audience asking Romney to differentiate himself from Bush was a loaded question. Romney has been a successful businessman for 25 years so any comparison between he and Bush or the community organizer for that matter, on understanding how the economic engine operates, is a non-starter.

    Romney has laid out a detailed 5 point plan which you can read for yourself at mittromney.com. But to answer your question about difference between Romney and Bush, here’s one. Romney is serious about cutting down on the size of government and reducing the number of regulations that get in the way of growing an economy. Bush and Obama both grew government and the number of regulations.

    Satisfied?

  13. Hey Marcus, on that 5 point plan thing you mention, let me quote something I heard someone say at a debate last night.

    “And Governor Romney’s says he’s got a five-point plan? Governor Romney doesn’t have a five-point plan. He has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. That’s been his philosophy in the private sector, that’s been his philosophy as governor, that’s been his philosophy as a presidential candidate.”

  14. OC Liberal says:

    First – It will take more than a lifetime for me to “get over” Bush, as it will for our country.

    Second – There is no evidence that Romney “has been a successful businessman for 25 years” because that is not what companies like Bain do. They make money by taking over companies and making business choices without regard to sentiment, patriotism, humanitarianism or any other factor other than making money for Bain. The USA doesn’t work like that.

    Third – Bush DID cut regulations, even according to the conservative Weekly Standard. I didn’t make that up. Cutting regulations for lobbyists and letting industries write their own rules is what got us disasters like BPs oil-tastrophy. Romney will follow Bush down that path and he has said so himself.

    Marcus, I don’t know whether you are an Obama hater as most Republicans are, but I suspect you are a businessman. Just like the US Chamber of Commerce, you believe Romney will be good for business and that is good for everybody. But they also think it is ok to make money just about any way you can, without regard to human consequence. A President needs to care about 100% of the people in our country and make choices accordingly. Romney has made clear who he will work for. The rest are just losers in his eyes.

    Sorry, but I have to go now – to the homeless shelter and wash some clean pots.

  15. E.A. Blair says:

    One thing Romney said was that he would also eliminate taxes on interest and capital gains for the middle class. Who in the middle class has enough income from interest and capital gains for that to make a difference? All of the people I know are middle class and neither I nor any of them have ever had enough income in either category do even declare. It’s just a sop to make people think they’re getting tossed a bone when it’s really a fossil.

  16. E.A. Blair says:

    Maybe the Democratic Party will start getting over Bush when the Republicans let go of Clinton and Carter (and Johnson and FDR).

  17. Sydney says:

    Marcus…..after the failure known as George Bush, it seems that I can’t find ANY republican that can look back on his tenure and acknowledge that he did good things. They all say that he wasn’t conservative enough, didn’t like him then and were so very very concerned about the debt that he was running up. BUT YOU ALL VOTED FOR HIM. TWICE. Last election, Sarah Palins shit didn’t stink, you all LOVED HER. Now you can all clearly see what a fraud she was, and unintelligent, celebrity seeking fraud. BUT YOU ALL VOTED FOR HER. Now you have Romney, who is lying through his teeth. He was NEVER a job creator. He was a money creator, for his billionaire investors. If you check out how Bain made his money, you would find that he took over companies, some that we’re slowing down, but many that we’re in very good shape. With a small amount of money, he got his foot in the door, then he got a bank like Goldman, to “lend” investment money that the business was now responsible to pay back. They used the inventory and the pension money as capital then Bain scooped that new money as payment for himself and investors. The victim corporation now had millions in debt to pay back, so the CLOSED stores and factories, laid off hundreds of workers. Bain continued to harvest as much money until the company, in most cases collapsed, all the workers were fired, assets sold piecemeal, and the pension fund raided, all to satisfy the debt placed on them by Bain. Your tax dollars bailed out the pension funds the same way the FDIC bails out savings accounts.
    So to recap…..Romney bought companies with investors money (2 to 10 million), loaded it up with debt (75 to 300 million), they took millions of the borrowed money as payment for their services (75 to 250 million) and LEFT.
    This is the extent of his business expertise. He was NEVER a job creator. Romney is ALSO A FRAUD.
    And just like Bush and Palin YOU WILL VOTE FOR HIM.
    For all those with eyes to see and ears to hear, the truth about this man running for president is there.

  18. E.A. Blair says:

    Notice that Romney said that he hired women, but he didn’t say anything about how much he paid them.

    Compare these remarks:

    “I asked for women’s resumes.”

    “Some of my best friends are women/blacks/jews/etc.”

  19. Independent says:

    I find it very insulting as a woman that Obama again lIes about Libya Crowley constantly lied and ran biased interference to give Obama a lead. Some of us do stay informed and have a bit of intelligence and not even a liberal moderator as Candy – which said she was wrong about Libya after the debate to say Obama said this was a terror attack. He never did. Talk about lie never have heard a truth from him. It really is sad. Women time to stand up for your right and educate yourself and vote for truth before it is too late and those rights are taken away from you. How many of you have read Obamacare and realize starting in March 23, 2013 they will be implanting us with microchips in the rot hand. Without it no social security no healthcare no food stamps. Wake up America. If you doubt look up affordable health care act aka obamacare starting page 1001 HR 3200 sec. 2521
    Why isn’t anyone asking about the 174,000 hollow point bullets being purchased by the government for the social security office.

  20. Ajay says:

    > Independent says:

    You are an idiot.

    Being a woman or independent has nothing to do with it. You dont posses basic reading and comprehension skills. Whether you went to a liberal school or you were home schooled, it has no bearing on it. Dont worry though, most Americans are just like you: Ill informed and mostly brain dead and suffer from liberal killings them. Go and watch Fox and you will get friends just like yourself: balanced and fair.

  21. Sydney says:

    Independent………how crazy cute are you??? I can only take so much ignorant nutjobs posting before my head explodes, so why don’t you stay on your rightwing conspiracy sites with all the other nutjobs who understand and want you there.

    On march 23, 2013, obamacare calls for us to be microchipped in our hand?? Jesus F Christ, you are wicked dumb.

  22. OC Liberal says:

    I’m not a women, but I sure am hankerin’ for one a them micro-chips in my rot hand !!!

  23. Sydney says:

    If there is enough gullible idiots willing to buy the GOPs con game & campaign gimmicks of fear, WE ARE SCREWED.

  24. Cheryl says:

    Laughing with OC Liberal. Actually – same word – the Party of the Right – the Party of the Rot.

  25. Karen Weston says:

    If ignorance is truly bliss, these rightwing delusional folks with feelings of persecution, have to be the happiest people on the planet.

  26. Saint Stephen says:

    E. A. Blair:

    I had forgotten about Romney talking about cutting taxes on interest rates and capital gains, so thanks for mentioning it. When I heard that last night, I thought to myself “wow, that’ll probably save me $10 in taxes.”

    Marcus:

    How did you know the audience was left leaning? Also, since Romney is seeking the job that Bush once had, and we know how that turned out, and they both have the same general political philosophy, it’s perfectly appropriate to ask him how he would differentiate himself from Bush.

  27. E.A. Blair says:

    @Saint Stephen: About Romney seeking Bush’s job – in the debate, Romney said that we “…can’t have four more years of Obama’s policies…” No, he wants to give us at least four more yers of the same crap we had for eight.

  28. I almost wet myself laughing over the comments after “independent” surfaced.. Thanks guys! I needed that – it has been a very long week.

    For added information – it seems those Romney did bring into his cabinet were not given positions of power:

    http://www.masslive.com/mitt-romney-archive/index.ssf/2012/05/following_mitt_romneys_victory.html

    Marcus – I will NEVER get beyond Bush — the image of him standing in front of the Correspondent’s Dinner with his little video clip of his dog running around the White House looking for WMD while our troops were still in Iraq getting killed is not only unforgettable, it’s unforgivable. And he made a joke about it. And as long as the Republican Party keeps putting for idiots and dolts like him, you can keep the GOP. Romney is nothing but an empty suit and a grifter who made his millions off the pain of others. He has no soul, nor a conscious and for those reasons alone is not qualified to be the President of this great country.

    His economic plan is a joke. 10 million of the 12 million jobs he promises are already baked in the cake according to CBO (or which ever agency it was…I don’t recall now). Once the election is over, business is going to have to decide if they’re going to hang onto that $2T they’ve been hoarding or invest it. If they start investing it, things are going to pick up soon. Housing starts are up 15% this month. Foreclosures are down. We’re digging out slowly – and it could have happened faster had it not been for the traitorous GOP in Congress who have done nothing but obstruct. I hope they all lose their jobs. But, unfortunately, people like Ms Independent are clueless and believe the propaganda they’ve been fed. It’s one of the reasons the GOP hates education. An educated populous would put them out of a job faster than i can blink.

  29. Also, Marcus – you might want to take a look at this from Romney’s own adviser:

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/bad-arithmetic-top-romney-economist-admits-jobs-plan-numbers-dont-compute/

  30. Cheryl says:

    It was actually in the Texas Republican platform to get rid of anything teaching critical thinking in education. That party is sincerely attempting to dumb down the people in order to make their load of BS acceptable. Whenever I see a response like independent’s or Marcus’ – I know they are slowly suceeding.

  31. This one is even better Marcus — you know that “horrible” President? Well it seems he does have something in common with Bush, even though he didn’t want to admit it last night.

    And that 5 point economic plan you are so impressed with – you should take a look at this;

    http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/romney-will-solve-crisis-exact-same-gop-plan-2008-2006-2004

    Mitt Romney, the great thinker came up with his own little plan.

  32. OC Liberal says:

    Diana,
    I have looked in vane for figures on healthcare savings involving Obamacare. My question: How much do hospitals and governments pay for the uninsured compared to the cost of the Affordable Care Act? Repubs love to talk about the new Healthcare law, but are they adjusting for the savings? Emergency room care is expensive. How does it shake down?

  33. Ajay says:

    Diana,

    > video clip of his dog running around the White House looking for WMD while our troops were still in Iraq getting
    > killed is not only unforgettable, it’s unforgivable. And he made a joke about it.

    I thought I was the only one in this world who found it to be extremely offensive. What was even worse was that the Press laughed. Its so nonchalant to kill people and then laugh about it because…. Freedom, Jesus and Liberals… If Hitler was American, southerners/Republicans would be eulogizing him and make him a hero.

  34. Milord says:
  35. Milord says:

    Free the women in binders!

  36. Saint Stephen says:

    OC Liberal: Re: your point about healthcare savings: it is hard to find that kind of information. But I notice that, for Republicans, they have no trouble at all coming up with how much MORE money Obamacare is costing them. Of course, is it easier for them since they just make shit up!

  37. OC – let me do a little digging. I’m guessing there is a report out there that was used in the course of developing the bill in order to determine the cost savings. With the SCOTUS ruling that’s going to effect the Medicaid provisions, who knows what effect that’s going to have….

    in the meantime there is this study done by the American College of Physicians. This paper was written in 2004 and relied on data from 2001 so it’s pretty outdated at this point. However, they report using the 2001 data,

    In terms of direct costs to the health system (in 2001 dollars), the uninsured receive as much as $98 billion in medical care, $35 billion of which is considered uncompensated. (6) Total government spending on the uninsured is about $30 billion a year, representing the bulk of the cost of uncompensated care. Hospitals provide about $24 billion worth of uncompensated care, while physicians spend about $5.1 billion a
    year caring for patients who cannot pay their bills. (6) Meanwhile, employers and managed care companies spend between $1.5 billion and $3 billion through higher rates to cover part of the $24 billion hospitals spend caring for the uninsured. (6) Although the indirect costs associated with lack of insurance are more difficult to
    calculate, this paper would not be complete without their consideration. Inadequate preventive care and delayed treatment among the uninsured yields substantial societal costs in terms of reduced life expectancy, lower workforce productivity, diminished educational attainment, imperiled public health, and the financial burden shouldered by uninsured individuals and communities.

    Typically 50% of the cost of uninsured hospital care is reimbursed by the federal / state government in order to keep those hospitals solvent so they are available to the community. The rest of those costs are borne by the rest of in the form of higher premiums.

    It may be difficult to determine the savings until the 4 plans are available on the market , but i’ll see what i can come up with.

  38. OC – This study from The Kaiser Foundation is about the best I’ve come up with thus far that one can understand without being an economist.

    http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/The-Cost-of-Care-for-the-Uninsured-What-Do-We-Spend-Who-Pays-and-What-Would-Full-Coverage-Add-to-Medical-Spending.pdf

    It’s a 2004 report so would have to be updated to 2012 premium dollars vs health care costs.

    The CBO report I found doesn’t offer a comparison of cost of uninsured care vs cost of premiums — only the latter and the changes to those numbers due to the SCOTUS ruling on the Medicaid provisions…allowing the states to opt out of the increased coverage.

    I came across this written in 2010 by the President of the American College of Cardiology – pretty interesting and will sound familiar.

    Hope this helps.

  39. OC Liberal says:

    Thanks, Diana, you are the best.

    Isn’t it interesting Dr Garson, from the American College of Cardiology (linked above) says, “Federal and state governments already pay $23.5 billion for non-Medicaid services to the uninsured.” That is the most current source. Then there is the (other 50%) burden on hospitals and those who are insured (in higher premiums). That surely takes us to 50 billion a year and I think that is a conservative figure.

    I just really believe we need this kind of detail out front in order to be effective as President Clinton says and, “do the arithmetic.” Republicans try to avoid specifics in lieu of generality or they just go and make up phony numbers, then repeat them ad nauseam on FOX until their low information drones think they are real.

    I get so frustrated because they fail to mention the extreme cost in the Emergency room. That is least efficient way to give care to the uninsured.

  40. E.A. Blair says:

    OC Liberal:

    “Federal and state governments already pay $23.5 billion for non-Medicaid services to the uninsured.”

    What you said makes me wonder how big a lobby the debt collecting industry has and whether they’re opposing the Affordable Care Act because they’ll lose business.

  41. One thing to keep in mind in the argument is that 1) much of the cost of adding these people to the roles is more of a cost shift than a cost increase — and 2) while there may be some overall increase in the cost (until something is done to actually reduce to the cost of health care) a healthier society will help offset the costs of future health care. There are lot of components in this that are difficult to measure without having a degree in quantum mathematics or something! LOL