Damn. That was definitely not the illustration I had in mind for the morning after the first presidential debate. I was thinking more along the lines of an image of Romney submerged in a pond of lies and crap, his eyes barely visible above the floating scum. But, truth be told, last night was definitely not Barack Obama’s finest hour. So, what happened? Well, a number of things.
- Obama did not bring his ‘A’ game to the debate.
- In front of 50 million viewers, Romney decided to cast aside the hard right element of his party after 18 months of bending over backwards for them and suddenly move to the center. The over-the-top lies and shift in policy positions appeared to throw Obama off.
- Jim Lehrer sucked. That was the worst moderated debated I’ve ever witnessed and Romney, to his credit, took full advantage of the chaos and steamrolled right over Lehrer.
So is it over? Has Mitt turned around months of missteps and what can only be described as a disastrous campaign to now surge away and win this thing in November? Nope, not by a long shot. Lies, spin and little detail on policy might have sounded good for ninety minutes but Romney is now going to have to explain how it is, for example, that after 18 months of claiming he’d cut taxes on the rich, that it is no longer his policy to do so. Let him have fun with that.
All in all, it was a boring debate. I can’t imagine how a viewer not well versed on the minutiae of either candidate’s platform walked away from that debate being any better informed than they were ninety minutes prior. Even I, political junkie and all, found myself struggling to follow the candidate’s statements to their conclusions. In Obama’s case, his responses lacked crispness and clarity. In Romney’s case, there’s just so much bullshit one can take in an hour and a half before one’s eyes roll over and nausea sets in. My bowl of popcorn remained uneaten.
Romney won the debate but he also made two serious errors which can and probably will come back to bite him on the ass.
a) In front of millions of Americans, he admitted that he would turn Medicare into a voucher program for anyone under the age of 55. Oops. Last time I checked, the majority of Americans are under the age of 55. Look for Democrats to come out strong in the next few days with attack ads on that point.
b) In front of millions of Americans, Romney promised to kill funding for Big Bird, Sesame Street and the rest of the great programming on PBS. That’s not going to go well with millions of parents and people who enjoy high quality programming like Nova.
Bottom line: Romney won the debate by lying (surprise!), and for 90 minutes disregarding much of what he’s said over the last many months. But there’s no reason for anyone to panic. There are five more weeks of campaigning and two more debates as well as 18 months of Romneyisms for everyone to look at and explore. One debate is not going to change any of that.
One last point. Have you ever tried debating issues with a lying jackass who can make a statement one second and then deny he said it in the next? It’s pretty much an exercise in futility. There’s too much material to refute in a short time and one can easily get muddled in guck. Obama simply wasn’t prepared for an opponent who lacked the moral conviction to stand by his words of the last 18 months. I suspect he will in the next debate.
Breathe. Obama is still Obama this morning and Romney is still the soulless, lying dick that no one likes.
UPDATE
This is true.
Romney is nothing if not good at remaking his persona. To be ideologically plastic enough to win a general election in Massachusetts in 2002 and a GOP presidential primary in 2012 is tough. Romney was helped in this by the fact that there was a three-way conspiracy to define “domestic issues” as very narrowly equivalent to tax and budget issues. There was no real talk of the environment, of LGBT equality, of labor unions, of monetary policy, of the regulatory state outside of Dodd-Frank, of immigration, of family life or women’s role in the workforce or any of a host of other issues where it’s difficult to paper over ideological voids. But on the issues they did talk about, Romney succeeded in portraying himself as someone who’s considerably less conservative than John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, or the Mitt Romney who we’ve seen a lot of over the past 18 months. Whether you believe that’s the Mitt Romney who’d show up in the White House in 2013 if he wins in November is a separate question, but the guy we saw tonight is a much more appealing figure than the guy who was on the trail all summer.
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Totally agree Mario, Totally agree.
And….let’s be totally upfront. The Obama Team got caught unprepared. How could he not bust Romney on gasoline prices (doubled).? How could he allow the $716 billion to go un-challeneged? And why not simply state, “Mitt yo are etch-a-sketching a bit here and there. Forget the I m being presidential demeanor Gotta fight these people like guerillas. SO, I guess i totally agree with clarifications ;-)
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I particularly like the “soulless dick” part.
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Obama was on his heels this debate, I do believe that he will be on his toes in fighting form for the next debate.
If judged on substance and accuracy of what his plans are about, Romney would lose, because of his deception and flip flopping on most of his rhetorical promises, which barely stopped short of promising a “lunar colony” at the end of his first term.
The Great Franklin Delano Roosevelt once rightly and wisely said this that was directed at the “GOP” then and still holds true NOW:
“Let me warn you, and let me warn the nation, against the smooth evasion that says:
‘Of course we believe these things. We believe in social security. We believe in work for the unemployed. We believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die! We believe in all these things. But we do not like the way that the present administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them, we will do more of them, we will do them better and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything!’
But, my friends, these evaders are banking too heavily on the shortness of our memories. No one will forget that they had their golden opportunity—twelve long years of it.
Remember, too, that the first essential of doing a job well is to want to see the job done. Make no mistake about this: the Republican leadership today is not against the way we have done the job. The Republican leadership is against the job’s being done.” ~~~
Let Not The Actions of a Republican leadership which had everything to do with causing our MASSIVE Economic Crisis and their passive, lassez-faire obstructionist conduct of the last 3 1/2 years stagnating economic recovery, be erased from our memories due to the perceived results of one debate on one given day.
To do so would be disastrous to the future of all Americans and the Country we love.
I don’t think Romney won, he just didn’t get his ass handed to him on a plate. His staff (and the media) are spinning that fact into a victory of sorts and a very shallow one it is. Even if Romney does well in the second debate, it’s the third one voters will remember. The cocky, arrogant dick will get his just desserts. I look forward to it.
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Are we so easily defeated? Well, let me tell you, sisters and brothers, I don’t believe we are that easily defeated. Because we all knew that this election was not going to be easy at all, and we signed up all the same. Is all the President has worked for on behalf of Americans to be lost?
Of course not.
The President has an even temper. His is a carefully measured countenance. His is even, at times, a show of humor.
He does not moan, he does not rend, he does not gnash. He keeps his eyes on the prize, and he negotiates rocky shoals. He is not stupid. He knows where the weaknesses lie.
And if I didn’t think he couldn’t handle Romney’s thuggery and worse, I’d have abandoned him long ago.
But I didn’t.
And neither did you.
So calm down, youngsters.
This is not the time to panic, for there is nothing to panic about.
Put on your helmet and tighten your chinstrap. Facts matter. Tell the truth, expose the deceptions.
Grab tight your standard, work hard and hold fast. And support our standard bearer at this critical junction in American history when he needs us most.
You will march with over one hundred million strong.
We will march with strength.
We march with hope.
We march, my brothers and sisters, on the moral side of history.
Forward.?
This should have been a battle of wits with Obama facing an unarmed opponent. Instead, it was like trying to sit through a baseball game in which the bad guys are loading the bases on walks in every inning, the pitcher won’t even try to pick off a runner and the ump is blind and deaf.
The real loser in this debate was Lehrer, though. Both Romney and the President ran roughshot right over him and he did nothing to assert his position as moderator.
So maybe Romney has now succeeded in not only alienating 47% of potential supporters, he may have also succeeded in turning off the 55 million registered Right Wing fan base as well. I think he has already pretty well done his Hispanic and other ethnic minority potential supporters in a long while back – - – and, of course – - – women who would rather not allow men to make all the decisions about their health care issues.
Then there is the possibility that the lack of response by the President could have been a well-fashioned plan by the Democrats to make the challenger lay all his cards on the table (as it were) so that the President can chop it all to shreds in the next couple of debates.
I think Democrats knew what everyone knows – - – that incumbents don’t tend to do well in first debates – - and I think they capitalized on that fact to keep Romney’s mouth running on the very good chance that he can be led to put his foot into it in debates yet to come.
The one question Obama could have thrown last night was this one: “Well, Mr. Romney, I see you have moved to the Center on your positions – - – again! You have been all over every side of every issue in this campaign in order to court votes – - – so tell us, is this your final position on the issues? Is this what we can really expect this time or will you be a completely different candidate once you have had a chance to read the polls on this debate here tonight?”
I don’t think our President got trounced last night and I don’t think any flip-flopping got his goat or rattled him in any way.
I think the President used the first debate as a vehicle for letting arrogance run it’s course, for allowing an individual to define his proclivities for shifting positions as rapidly as his eyes – - -and I think that the challenger had damned well better remember what he said during this debate because if he changes course too much in the coming days, people will become aware of the instability and the battle will really be lost for the Mittster.
The one thing I can say for sure – - or at least the one thing I think I can say for sure is this:
If American Voters choose Republican oppression again in November, they are a Hell of a lot dumber than I thought – - – and I just don’t believe they are!
I think Americans are smarter than that – - -
I hope and pray they are anyway.
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I’m not getting where people think Romney won. I watched the entire thing and what I saw was Romney shadow-boxing and huffing and puffing like a wanna-be tough guy as Obama held his cool demeanor in his usual classy style, but obviously knew Romney was lying through his teeth. Romney looked like a used car salesman, red-faced and flustered and stuttering, trying to desperately hold on to the sale, not to mention his rudeness toward the moderator. He certainly didn’t leave Obama bruised and bloody, as this photo suggests.
Thanks, Mario — I so needed this post today. Also thanks to you contributors for keeping things in the right perspective. I hope voters will do their fact checking on Mitt’s perfect and easy but vague solutions to the country’s economic woes because most of his plans don’t actually hold water. I’m keeping the faith for my candidate and am in this for the long haul. On to round two! :)
Dear Joy:
I kind of hate to wax “Spiritual” at this juncture, but maybe a little spontaneous conjecture might not do any harm here.
Please kind of over look some of my allegorical comparisons, but we are supposed to be a “Christian” nation and maybe I can draw some comparisons about the Scriptures and the events of last evening during the so-called “Debates.
Here is one that stands out for me:
I am thinking of the Scripture that talks about the Last Days when Angels of Light shall appear, making themselves look like Righteous Beings but being filled with every kind of darkness.
There was a time when it looked like Jesus was done for because of the fact that Satan appeared so strong.
But the Good won in the end and always will.
If you listen to, and believe the talking heads, you too, would be a unable to hold a thought through to conclusion. President Obama won the debate last night. Period. In a day or so, everyone will see that it is so. What happened last night was theater put on by a desperate Romney/Ryan campaign that has run out of ideas. They only thing they had left was a “Hail Mary,” and Romney delivered a choreographed performance that was only somewhat less than pathetic. Romney was disrespectful of the rules of the debate. He talked over the moderator and the President. It would be hard to imagine that was not calculated. The President looked Presidential. He didn’t fall for the disrespect from Romney because he knew that was only a predetermined tactical ploy.
After the initial glow from the talking heads wears off, people will see that Mitt Romney feels entitled to be President, and that he will do or pay most anything to get it. President Obama did not use his abundant ammo against Romney because President Obama thinks like a President. When the time is right (ask Osama Bin Laden) the cold hard facts that Romney has tried to avoid will become abundantly clear to even the talking heads.
The fact checkers are having a field day with the intentional misdirections made by Romney, and regardless of how he now tries to move towards the center, Romney is wedded to the far right now and forever.
I don’t think Obama did badly. I think everyone understands that Romney was lying.For instance, i love how Romney tried to take credit for Massachusetts school system. We all know the true Romney quote is, ” We don’t need more teachers, policemen, and firemen.” Look it up if you don’t believe me. Yeah, that’s the guy who waxed glorious about American education last night.
Obama did not do badly. He let Romney tell his lies and contradict his last 18 months of campaigning for the far right. It’s just that we all wanted Romney to get his butt kicked in. And the media pundits have to try and spin it as if Obama didn’t do well for a couple of reasons. Number one, they have to try and say something attention grabbing and different than expected. After all, they have kids to feed, and they have to say something more than, “As usual Romney is flip flopping, lying and embellishing his persona. That’s who he was at this first debate. But it will come apart in the next two debates, as it always does.”
Besides, for better or worse, most people watching the debate have already picked their man.
I didn’t expect Sleepy of the seven dwarfs to show up instead of President . I especially was not in favor of the wedding anniversary shout out to Mrs. Obama; I really didn’t like the “sweetie” remark! This was suppose to be a DEBATE! Not just any debate, a presidential debate! The President was supposed to leave “no doubt” who is the Commander-In-Chief is. His mission was to exploit and expose his opponent for who he is …a fraud! A flip-flopping lying politician who when pressed for details, becomes rude & offensive! I would not have shaken hands or shared a mild embrace with Romney! The President does not have to pretend that he likes this guy, because he doesn’t! Why fake it! Just walk up to the rostrum, advise the moderator to get started. Begin the question answer segment and destroy this guy! That of course did not happen! I sat there watching with disbelief that the main core of issues were not addressed. The 47% gaffe by Mittzilla was never mentioned. Why ? Was that a moderator screw up? Offshore banking, Tax returns, women’s rights, student loans…..none of these issues were mentioned or defended! The Bain Capital Crippler, survived a night when he should have been thrown off the stage. The idea that a PBS representative was the moderator, gave unnecessary ammunition to Mitt the Twit. I thought it was in bad form! Also, I firmly believe that we as a country should have some sort of fact checking in place when we have these debates. To much is at stake! That is why there should be a buzzer or voice simulated computer that will interrupt the candidates when they lie, embellish and or fabricate the facts! Something like the game show…Minute to win it! But with a debate, the voice would announce the question, give instructions expect accuracy & tell them they will be held accountable!They have 2 minutes & then their microphone would go silent! Finally, the meet & greet at the end of the debate…..Why? This is not a reception, a cocktail party, or a family reunion! This was a debate with the stakes as high as they get……with the overall winner in November getting the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Most of the coverage today was: “Mitt Wins Big!” And he did, BY LYING HIS ASS OFF. The headline should be, “Sybil finds another new personality.”
I agree completely, Mario. Big O made me want to go to bed early. He was professorial, at times sleepy, distracted by hearing lies instead of challenging, and above all, uninspiring.
If you don’t use the debate format to point out the lies, you create an ad hoc stipulation. This is what I don’t like about Obama. He spent too much time in his first term NOT fighting for what he supposedly believes. Last night looked like a continuation of his passive, “maybe we can just work together” personae. He is a nice guy but he needs to learn to fight for what he believes or voters will fail to see a leader.
In the next debate Obama needs to remember that he is the guy who gave the order to shoot Bin Laden in the face.
Look Folks – it’s not that the Prez had a bad debate – he was just in “shock” like the rest of the Nation.
We were ALL expecting to see a Romney that was “Severely Conservative” and the one that showed up was a “Blue Dog Democrat ! LOL !
Don’t know how all those rich people feel now that Romney said they won’t be getting that minimum $265,000 tax cut.
Oh Yeah and Seniors ! I’m sure you’ll agree that there is NO need for a voucher program for anyone, if Romney is putting $716 BILLION dollars “back” into the system, right??
I hope Romney keeps debating, we’ll make him a Progressive yet – lol !
Strangely, Weeks from the election and the American people STILL don’t know what this guy stands for really.
For E.A. Blair; You are correct that the real loser was the moderator but remember, his name isn’t going to be on the ballot.
For Frank Castle: I agree with what you believe SHOULD be what Barry could have done but there seems to be some sort of protacol and being nice which always take place at these functions. If the president had been rude or unprofessional the press would have creamed him.
Mario, I love your take on the event. Especially thet Barry didn’t bring his ‘A’ game to the table. I kept feeling all evening during the debate that Obama was under the weather and maybe on some sort of medication to relieve pain or possible just very tired. He didn’t look or act rested. The ‘spark’ was certainly missing.
I can’t imagine this debate alone will make much difference. The media is having a bit of fun with Mitten’s so called facts and usual distortions and of course, flip-flops.
You would think by now Obama would’ve learned republicans are not nice people,,, You can’t be civilized with republicans because they have no interest in working with Democrats anymore, Obama doesnt seem to have a mean bone in his body, and that’s to bad because that’s what we need right now, I will vote for Obama because look at the alternative, a 2 faced Mormon who will sell out anyone just to get elected.
OH! I thought maybe this is what happened to the President after Michelle presented him with her “Anniversary Gift” after his performance last night.
My bad…
Watching the President’s performance last night reminded me how much I missed Bill Clinton’s communications skills. President Obama was just phoning it in. When the candidates were back in the “green room” awaiting their introductions, Mitt Romney was busy shaking the living hell out of his Etch-a-Sketch, while Obama was sipping on a single malt and composing a haiku in honor of his anniversary. I get it, Mr. President, you’re cool! But next time, how abouty a little more of that “Fired up and ready to go” Obama that we adore. Every time you show a little spark & fire, note the reaction of your supporters. We really like it! Your White House Blog feedback comes alive every time you trot out that personnae. Veggies are OK, but throw us some meat on occasion, and this was an occasion that called for meat.
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October 4, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Dear Nivi:
I am afraid the implications may go much deeper and may be a lot more sinister than that!
The man looked tired. Who knows what he may have been dealing with moments before he came on. If his handlers had expected the right-wing Will o’ the Wisp to show up, he may need new handlers because most keen observers knew that the Romneyan Shape-shifter would be tilting to the center in last night’s contest. Of course he would, especially after the 47% debacle. Obama should have come into last night’s exchange knowing this fully and fully prepared to head off such a tactic by the only dance to the center available to Will -LYING. Which he did repeatedly without challenge from the President.
The man looked tired. What Romney and the President’s many unfair detractors like Sununu engage in ultimately is a form of evil and the struggle against evil day-in and day-out is daunting and tiring , one that might produce the occasional fleeting thought over whether the vile tirade from the stands like Jackie Robinson endured in 1948 is worth it all given the life of relative ease Obama and his loving family might be leading away from the current venom of presidential governance.
I cannot and do not believe he is a quitter, but I am certain he never engaged in a combat where he would consider kicking squarely in the balls an opponent who fully deserves such and worse treatment.
I agree with BasicFunguist, NOBODY expected Romney to transform himself on stage to millions in the Nation as centrist – is he LYING, of course ! I also had that thought about the comparison between Jackie Robinson, the first ‘Black Man” in major league baseball to the President, good one BF!
Obama WILL be back – he just can’t help himself, he still thinks, as Nivi said, that Republicans are nice people, that they play fair, that they sometimes may even put COUNTRY before party – the reality – they are none of those things. A I stated they have and will continue to CHEAT, LIE AND STEAL in an attempt to fulfill their mistaken goals.
Basic Funquist, I’ve read an excerpt of what Jesse Ventura states in his book, surprisingly I agree with a lot of what I read. No I don’t think the ex-wrestler/Gov. of Minnesota should hold office but a voice of reason by a big burly guy of his iconic stature is good to have in your corner.
Liberals are pathetic. Obama gets his ass kicked at the debate and instead of pinning the blame on your boy, you instead blame Romney for not playing nice. Obama flopped because he had no answer when challenged on his record and his stream of lies. Without a teleprompter to guide him, your boy fell flat on his face. What a sorry spectacle but it was long overdue. The Obama charade is over. It’s time for real change. The sooner you accept it, the sooner the pain lessens and you can carry on with your lives.
Marcus – you must start to wean yourself off the lobotomy that Fox Noise and their ilk has performed on you for years. Living in a delusional world has always been the Repubes problem.
For a GOP that didn’t want Obama to “spike the football” for KILLING America’s NUMBER ONE ENEMY, Bin Laden, they sure did a lot of “spiking” simply because they LIED themselves to a perceived debate win by blowing off fireworks at a recent Romney/Ryan event – I think at least 47% of Romney’s castoff’s would think that is despicable !!
So Romney “won” a debate – even a blind squirrel finds a nut occassionally.
Romney, and presumably the GOP, announced yesterday that EVERYTHING Romney said about the 47% in that much watched video, “was totally wrong” ! – DUHHH Romney has really put on an “Extreme Makeover” – lol Who knows where he’ll stand on the issues tomorrow.
Now if only they would admit how their decades long policies have been WRONG ! – the Nation can begin the healing process.
Repubes and their dependence on “corporate” rich people and who wait eagerly for that “trickle down” – FACT – the rich have over 32 TRILLION DOLLARS in offshore tax havens – HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS TRICKLED DOWN TO YOUR TRAILER HOMES ???
Consider the fact that many hardworking Americans have given up on the “job creators” whom GOP has given TRILLIONS of dollars for NOTHING?
Americans have and are starting their own small business and/or are self employed, whether it be a cleaning service or landscaping or whether they are contractors in repair and remodel, at home computer work or whatever, you cannot stop the American spirit that continues on – they are NOT anything like the 47% Romney and the GOP wants you believe.
SAVE OUR COUNTRY – VOTE OUT THE GOP !!
No, GoldenSun-san, EVERYONE expected Romney to be tacking centrist last night, especially after the 47% debacle. And as I have stated, the only dance centward available for the the Romneyan Shape-shifter would be to lie. You see, the brightness of Willard’s ambition blots out all other light, even the light of truth. The President knew this. His people knew this. Barack Obama who looked tired beyond his years knew this perhaps better than all; he simply showed up unwilling to kick squarely in the balls an opponent who deserved such and worse.
Also, I suggested you not engage in ad hominem responses re Gov. Ventura whom you dismiss saying an ex-wrestler, Governor of Minnesota should not hold office. Why’s that? Seems to me a potus who had made a motion picture with a chimpanzee did a credible job as prez. according to most Americans. No college degree? Neither had Harry S Truman. Besides which he has already held office without becoming a professional politician -read pimp. NOBODY OWNS HIM, a credential that should be prized above all others in the current swamp of American politics.
Perhaps you should take a look into the story of Cincinnatus an simple farmer whose call to duty saved Rome from the Carthaginians. And when he was done, Cincinnatus went home to his farm and plow.
JESSE IN ’16? Why the hell not?
No, GoldenSun-san, EVERYONE expected Romney to be tacking centrist last night, especially after the 47% debacle. And as I have stated, the only dance centward available for the the Romneyan Shape-shifter would be to lie. You see, the brightness of Willard’s ambition blots out all other light, even the light of truth. The President knew this. His people knew this. Barack Obama who looked tired beyond his years knew this perhaps better than all; he simply showed up unwilling to kick squarely in the balls an opponent who deserved such and worse.
Also, I suggested you not engage in ad hominem responses re Gov. Ventura whom you dismiss saying an ex-wrestler, Governor of Minnesota should not hold office. Why’s that? Seems to me a potus who had made a motion picture with a chimpanzee did a credible job as prez. according to most Americans. No college degree? Neither had Harry S Truman. Besides which he has already held office without becoming a professional politician -read pimp. NOBODY OWNS HIM, a credential that should be prized above all others in the current swamp of American politics.
Perhaps you should take a look into the story of Cincinnatus a simple farmer whose call to duty saved Rome from the Carthaginians. And when he was done, Cincinnatus went home to his farm and plow.
JESSE IN ’16? Why the hell not?
Take it easy BF – if Ventura wants to run he has every right to do so, problem is, the way I understand it,
Jesse quit after one term and once stated that he no longer felt dedicated enough to run again, as well as what he viewed were constant attacks on his family by the media. Ventura accused the media of hounding him and his family for personal behavior and belief while neglecting coverage of important policy issues.
For my money I’m going with the Clinton’s in 2016 – two presidents for the price of one and the gargantuan amount of experience they would both bring to the White House would be a nomination of epic proportions.
Obama just isn’t any good without a teleprompter
Anonymous should know that every president who has held the office since teleprompters were first used have used them so what is the big damned deal about Obama using them? I smell a little mindless hate-mongering from some far right wing nut case brewing in this “Anonymous” little offering here. See how they are folks? Not only do they not know what they are talking about, they don’t have the cohones to say their crap in public – - – they have to hide like the cowards they are!
Let us not forget the day the Prez took on the entire Republican House of Representatives in front of millions of Americans on their policies and made the them all look foolish. It was so bad the Republicans swore NEVER to do that again – lol.
I wonder if that video is on you tube, I’ll have to research that.
In any case, that “teleprompter” stuff is just more of Republican BULLGRAVEY !
Is it so hard to admit that your boy isn’t any good without a teleprompter and a written script to guide him? If you needed proof, that first debate should have done it for you. Go ahead, show some honesty and admit it. You’ll respect yourself in the morning.
“Your boy”, Marcus? Please answer a personal question for me: In the home in which you were reared, in referring to persons of color was it NIGGER or COON?
Or perhaps, a favorite of my bigoted, uneducated grandfather, “Jungle Bunny”
Marcus, I suppose that Lincoln just tossed the Gettysburg Address off the top of his head. Of the six incumbent presidents who have appeared in televised debates, five were scored by the media ashaving “lost” their first debate and four of those five went on to win re-election. The incumbent who “won” his debate also was re-elected. Meanwhile, your man Romney has strapped his dog to the top of his car and he’s heading off to the woods where the trees are all the right height to hund down a varmint named Big Bird.
Let us all remember that many of the “Your Boy” statements and similar unthoughtful proclamations are often products of minds that haven’t changed since the days of the ascendant Ante Bellum Aristocracies and that the proclivitators of such vernacularized epithets must be immersed in as much “Christian” Love, Understanding and Forgiveness as can be mustered with the help of Divine Grace because in my humble opinion, many of those who are driven to say such things simply grew up without Love in their lives. While we are at it, let us also prayerfully dispose our wills to the refusal to cast a vote for this kind of ideological malfeasance when elections roll around. Let us pray for all Losers!
@BasicWhatever and whoever else insinuates that I’m a bigot.
We call them blacks in my home so fuck you. Don’t try to pin a racist tag on me because you have no way of defending your boy’s performance at the debate. Obama is your boy in the same way that Romney is my boy. I didn’t say that Obama wasn’t a bright kid. I’m saying that he can’t think on his feet. That’s why he blew the debate. That’s why he’s given fewer press conferences than any other modern day president.
Every time one of you libs throws around the race card it tells me that you’re losing this fight. I love the smell of desperation in an adversary. Keep it up.
Hey, Marcus, no one insinuated or ‘threw around’ you were a bigot, what we did was point it out. Do you ever refer to Mittens as ‘Your Boy’?
Obama isn’t a ‘bright kid’, he’s a grown man and as much as it tears at you, he is also President of the United States.
Can you tell me Geo W Bush gave tons of press conferences? When were those?
Gary, Bush gave lots of press conferences – when he wasn’t at Kennebunkport or “clearing brush” at his pretend ranch – more vacation days than any other president in history (something people like Marcus have total amnesia about). Remember that beautifully choreographed light show he gave from St Louis Square in New Orleans when he finally decided to take time off from his round of birthday parties? That was just before he reminded the press that “Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott’s house — he’s lost his entire house — there’s going to be a fantastic house. And I’m looking forward to sitting on the porch.”
And if “fuck you” is the best that Marcus can do, he’s not convincing anyone of anything.
Just remember, Marcus, when you’re gloating and throwing around all of that machismo, the fat lady hasn’t sung yet. The President had a down night but he will come back stronger than ever. If you look at the grand sum of Romney’s miscues and gaffes in this campaign, his one shining moment (with misleading facts and promises) does not a President make. Those of us who have the President’s back will support him and his job performance all the way to the polls on November 6th.
“Hey, Marcus, no one insinuated or ‘threw around’ you were a bigot, what we did was point it out. Do you ever refer to Mittens as ‘Your Boy’?”
No but I also don’t refer to him as Mittens. Romney is a grown man and a candidate for the presidency of the United States. You might want to show a little respect yourself. Your own racism is showing through the cracks of your logic.
Bush gave a few less formal White House press conferences than Obama. You got me. Wait! Read and weep punks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/obama-interviews-press-media_n_1247311.html
I graciously accept your apologies.
I knew a Marcus once – - – Lynn Marcus – - -is that you?
By the way . . . Marcus . . . what will you say if Obama does win?
Will you change your tune about Libs then?
Marcus, who are you calling ‘punks’?
Calling someone Mittens who has a name of Mitt is in NO way racist.
Calling someone who is black, “Your Boy”, however is – ask any adult. What’s your age, I’m guessing about 17.
Poor Republicans they have become “trapped in their own fantasy world”…..
this is the consequence of bearing false witness against one’s neighbor:
Ultimately, the bearers of false witness come to believe their own lies. They come to be trapped in their own fantasy world, no longer willing or able to separate reality from unreality.
Once the bearers of false witness are that far gone it may be too late to set them free from their self-constructed prisons.
Debating the Romneyan Shape-shifter is no contest when Will o’ the Wisp makes it up as he goes along. Of course, Governor Romney’s ambition burns so brightly that the light of truth darkens when his mouth is moving.
Next time, the President should recall the advice Bobby gave Jack before the 1960 debate with Richard Nixon: “KICK ‘IM IN THE BALLS!”
Dear BasicFunguist: What you are proposing here may be extremely difficult to accomplish from any pragmatic application because there may be some justifiable debate about whether the material objectivity of such a proclivity might actually exist in sufficient size and quanity to justify expending the kineticisity to accomplish the stated objective. Coinage Alert: “Kineticisity” is my combination of “Kinetic” as in “Energy Form” with the last part of “Elasticity” so as to make the entire comment somewhat of a stretch for all but the inherently Cerebral-Prone thinkers among us.